Thread: Your Experience and Advice about Tren

Originally Posted by bigbenj

^tren induced rage, ladies and gentleman

Haha jk

Meant for Anton. You fuggers post too quick

ahah right. i just read you sig and im fucking dieng bro

Originally Posted by sofargone561

im bad enough as it is. My mind is a little fucked up to be honest. Im glad you made this post big. I dont think tren is something i should be messing with at this point then

I think we'd get along well lol

and ben thats funny since im on tren at the moment, think im gonna have to stop though bro im getting gyno and dont know what to do ive upd the prami but still no good, will it go away after i finish my cycle like some say

Originally Posted by M4A3

Anyone experience hair loss as a result of tren usage?

I have, but I was also running mast w it. I already had some mpb to begin with too.

right side bout nickle size lump, i heard lumps r not progestorone gyno but idk cause if its the test y wouldnt nolva fix it, the nolva takes away the sensitivity but nothing else and yes i know dont use with tren, im not anymore but fuck what am i to do, the prami isnt cutting it

Originally Posted by bigbenj

I think we'd get along well lol

haha im beggining to think so 2

I have heard you aren't supposed to run Nolva with a tren cycle

did u read all the post i wrote

Originally Posted by antonoverlord

did u read all the post i wrote

in my friends defense i read the whoel post and i had to read it twice to understand that you ment you shouldnt run novla with tren

This is turning into a god damn chat room lol

Quick question: do any of you guys feel like gear has actually made you more of an asshole.
Reason I ask is because you usually hear "if you're nice guy you'll stay that, or if you're an asshole you'll become an even bigger one" or "it's all in your head"

Reason I ask is because I think it's turned me into an asshole, or somewhat of an asshole. I don't walk around thinking I'm king kong, acting all big and bad or any of that nonsense. My wife has told me numerous times "ever since you started that stuff you've become mean".

Maybe it's because I've dealt with so much shit the last year or two that it's hardened my shell up a little or something. For instance, today our dog got out from my in-laws backyard, and I honestly said "fuck him, if he doesn't want to listen then oh well" my wife was like "what's wrong with you". We ended up finding him just a couple houses down.

On the ride home we started talking and I think she's somewhat right. Since I've started, I just haven't cared about things like I used. I write things off a lot more now and and say "f this or f that" a lot more now. Told her after this next cycle I'm going to stop if it doesn't change. Need to get back to caring a little more.

Tren should be given to soldiers because it makes me want to kill. I have run tren higher than T three times in the last year or so and there's no doubt you look good on it but the aggression and weird thinking I get from it is seriously scary. I have to take sleep aides and control E2 or I can't hang more than 3-4 weeks on Tren.

I eventually got ED when doing 2:1 tren to test. Went back to 2:1 test to tren at 700mg test/350mg tren and eventually 1000/525 and all my problems went away. Other than increased perspiration and getting easily winded, i suffer very few tren side effects. Some days though, any little thing can piss you off and sleep's not great, but i consider myself lucky.

Originally Posted by bigbenj

This is turning into a god damn chat room lol

Quick question: do any of you guys feel like gear has actually made you more of an asshole.
Reason I ask is because you usually hear "if you're nice guy you'll stay that, or if you're an asshole you'll become an even bigger one" or "it's all in your head"

Reason I ask is because I think it's turned me into an asshole, or somewhat of an asshole. I don't walk around thinking I'm king kong, acting all big and bad or any of that nonsense. My wife has told me numerous times "ever since you started that stuff you've become mean".

Maybe it's because I've dealt with so much shit the last year or two that it's hardened my shell up a little or something. For instance, today our dog got out from my in-laws backyard, and I honestly said "fuck him, if he doesn't want to listen then oh well" my wife was like "what's wrong with you". We ended up finding him just a couple houses down.

On the ride home we started talking and I think she's somewhat right. Since I've started, I just haven't cared about things like I used. I write things off a lot more now and and say "f this or f that" a lot more now. Told her after this next cycle I'm going to stop if it doesn't change. Need to get back to caring a little more.

we deffiantly wouldf get alone. i think out old ladies would to lmao i just had this talk with her and i just thoguht about this to. hahaa my friends said ive become more humble and actaully more calm but when i get set off its more scary then b4. my girl said im an asshole and ive become very mean. she also said i dont care about anything and all i say is fuck this and fuck that lmao. are you sure were not related?

Originally Posted by antonoverlord

and ben thats funny since im on tren at the moment, think im gonna have to stop though bro im getting gyno and dont know what to do ive upd the prami but still no good, will it go away after i finish my cycle like some say

Originally Posted by antonoverlord

right side bout nickle size lump, i heard lumps r not progestorone gyno but idk cause if its the test y wouldnt nolva fix it, the nolva takes away the sensitivity but nothing else and yes i know dont use with tren, im not anymore but fuck what am i to do, the prami isnt cutting it

Are you running an AI right now? That should prevent gyno from test. If you're not using a 19-nor(tren, deca, etc.) then I'd say it would be acceptable to not use an AI and just keep nolva on hand. Not recommend, but acceptable. Since you're running a 19-nor you need to be running an AI.

You don't use nolva with a 19-nor because it makes you more sensitive to progestin which in turn can/will make progeststional sides worse.

It will eventually go away.
Are you running an AI now, and do you know it's legit? Also, your caber could possibly be bunk.

Originally Posted by heavyiron

Tren should be given to soldiers because it makes me want to kill. I have run tren higher than T three times in the last year or so and there's no doubt you look good on it but the aggression and weird thinking I get from it is seriously scary. I have to take sleep aides and control E2 or I can't hang more than 3-4 weeks on Tren.

TREN--"it's a hell of a drug"

Im currently running
250mg of Test a week
525mg Tren Ace a week
150mg of deca a week

My first 2 weeks, the sides (mainly tren-sominia) were the worst, but since my 3rd week, I have been sleeping fine, just some night sweats as usual. Libido and everything is running full speed ahead. I also take Caber twice a week as well. Gonna run it for a good while this time, as I have a good bit....

Tren is the SHIT!!

Originally Posted by heavyiron

Tren should be given to soldiers because it makes me want to kill. I have run tren higher than T three times in the last year or so and there's no doubt you look good on it but the aggression and weird thinking I get from it is seriously scary. I have to take sleep aides and control E2 or I can't hang more than 3-4 weeks on Tren.

Speaking of giving soldiers tren, check this shit out. Last part is the best

Originally Posted by bigbenj

Are you running an AI right now? That should prevent gyno from test. If you're not using a 19-nor(tren, deca, etc.) then I'd say it would be acceptable to not use an AI and just keep nolva on hand. Not recommend, but acceptable. Since you're running a 19-nor you need to be running an AI.

You don't use nolva with a 19-nor because it makes you more sensitive to progestin which in turn can/will make progeststional sides worse.

It will eventually go away.
Are you running an AI now, and do you know it's legit? Also, your caber could possibly be bunk.

ben yes armidex from mnp and prami also from there i know the armidex is good it really dehydrates me when i take it also the prami gives me a kinda sick chest congestion kinda feeling, ive heeard side of prami but idk for sure no blood work

Btw, progesterone receptor upregulation from Nolva in breast tissue is almost entirely without support especially after 3-4 weeks of Nolva administration. In the cancer subjects that upregulation of PGR occurs, 100% see down regulation after 4 weeks of Nolva. So start your Nolva 3-4 weeks BEFORE using Tren.

Cancer Res. 1981 May;41(5):1984-8.

Effects of tamoxifen on estrogen and progesterone receptors in human breast cancer.

Waseda N, Kato Y, Imura H, Kurata M.

Abstract

Twenty patients with primary breast cancer were treated with tamoxifen (10 mg p.o. twice a day) for 1 to 4 weeks. Before and after the tamoxifen administration, tumor specimens were obtained and assayed for estrogen receptors and progesterone receptors (PGR). Total cytosol estrogen receptor (ERC) and occupied nuclear estrogen receptor (ERN) were measured by hydroxylapatite assay, and unoccupied PGR was measured by the dextran-coated charcoal assay. ERC, ERN, and PGR were detectable in 11, 8, and 6 tumors, respectively, before tamoxifen administration. After tamoxifen treatment, ERC decreased in 10 of 11 ERC-positive tumors. Occupied ERN increased in three of five ERN-positive tumors treated with tamoxifen for a short period (1 to 2 weeks), but they decreased in all of three ERN-positive tumors after longer administration (3 to 4 weeks). PGR increased in three of five ERN-positive tumors after short-term tamoxifen treatment, but they decreased in all of three tumors treated by the drug for a longer period. Increased PGR responses were accompanied by an increase of ERN in two of three ERN-positive tumors. These results suggest that tamoxifen interacts with the estrogen receptor system in human breast cancer tissue and may be estrogenic during short treatment, while longer treatment results in an antiestrogenic response.

PMID:7214366 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Are your nipples puffy? When I had a progestin issue my nipples were puffy. Not a lump, but puffy.

Originally Posted by heavyiron

Btw, progesterone receptor upregulation from Nolva in breast tissue is almost entirely without support especially after 3-4 weeks of Nolva administration. In the cancer subjects that upregulation of PGR occurs, 100% see down regulation after 4 weeks of Nolva. So start your Nolva 3-4 weeks BEFORE using Tren.

Cancer Res. 1981 May;41(5):1984-8.

Effects of tamoxifen on estrogen and progesterone receptors in human breast cancer.

Waseda N, Kato Y, Imura H, Kurata M.

Abstract

Twenty patients with primary breast cancer were treated with tamoxifen (10 mg p.o. twice a day) for 1 to 4 weeks. Before and after the tamoxifen administration, tumor specimens were obtained and assayed for estrogen receptors and progesterone receptors (PGR). Total cytosol estrogen receptor (ERC) and occupied nuclear estrogen receptor (ERN) were measured by hydroxylapatite assay, and unoccupied PGR was measured by the dextran-coated charcoal assay. ERC, ERN, and PGR were detectable in 11, 8, and 6 tumors, respectively, before tamoxifen administration. After tamoxifen treatment, ERC decreased in 10 of 11 ERC-positive tumors. Occupied ERN increased in three of five ERN-positive tumors treated with tamoxifen for a short period (1 to 2 weeks), but they decreased in all of three ERN-positive tumors after longer administration (3 to 4 weeks). PGR increased in three of five ERN-positive tumors after short-term tamoxifen treatment, but they decreased in all of three tumors treated by the drug for a longer period. Increased PGR responses were accompanied by an increase of ERN in two of three ERN-positive tumors. These results suggest that tamoxifen interacts with the estrogen receptor system in human breast cancer tissue and may be estrogenic during short treatment, while longer treatment results in an antiestrogenic response.

PMID:7214366 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Who are you, an expert? lol.
You're a damn pubmed nazi! And I'm beginning to think you have it in for me. Always trying to prove me wrong and shit.

Any more studies, or newer ones? That ones pretty old.

ya this too, with my tan they look like theres a circle around them mainly the right one and heavy i have been using nolva for 5 weeks before tren not ed but 2x a week for my test part of my cycle

Originally Posted by ZECH

Over the years, the vets I know said doses past 100mg/day, the sides become unbearable, regardless of test dosage.

I'm running 80 mg ed right now. I'm planing on taking it to 100 this week. Just to experiment. The only side I currently have at 80 mg ed are sleep issues. It's been a few years since the last time a ran tren and had forgotten how well my body can handle it.

One day, Tren and I will become friends.....

I'll make sure to have some anxiolytics handy though.

Loved tren at 75mg ED I got up to 80-90 ED but 75 was my sweet spot.

I plan to try this at the end of my cutter in the spring:

Test P: 50mg ED
Mast P 75mg ED
Tren A: 75mg ED

Gonna experiment with the whole test higher than tren thing

Yes, a guinea pig. Let's us know, J.

Originally Posted by bigbenj

Who are you, an expert? lol.
You're a damn pubmed nazi! And I'm beginning to think you have it in for me. Always trying to prove me wrong and shit.

Any more studies, or newer ones? That ones pretty old.

It wasn't directed at you. Just posting that there is solid science debunking the long term upregulation of the PGR in breast tissue and other tissue using Nolva.

Gynecol Endocrinol. 1993 Sep;7(3):185-9.

Effects of tamoxifen on endometrial estrogen and progesterone receptor concentrations in women with fibrocystic disease of the breast.

Pérez-López FR, Blasco Comenge C.
Source

Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology, Hospital ClÃ*nico, Zaragoza, Spain.

Abstract

Endocrine changes were determined after a 3-week cycle of tamoxifen treatment in 11 regularly cycling women with clinical and radiological evidence of fibrocystic disease of the breast. Blood and endometrial samples were obtained during the luteal phase prior to and at the end of treatment. Tamoxifen treatment (20 mg/day orally for 3 weeks), produced a significant increase in plasma estradiol (p = 0.0018) without simultaneous changes in plasma luteinizing hormone, follicle stimulating hormone, prolactin or progesterone. Tamoxifen treatment significantly reduced endometrial estrogen receptor levels compared to the control cycle (p = 0.0018) while endometrial progesterone receptor levels remained unchanged. Endometrial histological studies showed secretory transformation in both the control cycle and after tamoxifen treatment. The reduction in endometrial estrogen receptor concentrations would suggest a tamoxifen-induced effect or a down-regulatory mechanism to protect target tissues from high estradiol levels. These changes were not associated with alterations in either plasma progesterone or endometrial progesterone receptor concentrations. The tamoxifen-induced changes did not produce any interference in the glandular secretory response of the endometrium.

PMID:8291456 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Originally Posted by D-Latsky

Love it, hate it, love it, hate it lol!! It is the most powerful anabolic by far! Ive ised tren e and tren a with test lower higher and 1:1. If you can tolerate the sides its amazing!! I personally wont use it for a while, the sides get to be too much for me trensomnia and constantly sweating and feeling iritated all the time has made me turned off right now lol!! Its pretty bad for acne, i have had bad breakouts pc every time. But im sure ill feel the urge again. I suggest starting low and slow the first run then up it as you get more comfortable with it.

I heard it hit your IQ pretty bad . . . never quite recovered did it