How can you tell if you are ready to start your first cycle?

StrutDaRoosta · 02-07-2003, 10:44 AM

Hey folks!

I apologize in advance for my n00bish question.. but...

Im 21 years old.. 5'11, 228lbs mesopmorphic leaning towards endo morphic.. Ive been lifting seriously for size only since october..

I know Im not ready yet to start AS, but I wanna know how would I know that Im ready?

here's some pix in my journal so you guys can get an idea of my bodytype...
http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/sh...851#post269851

I just want to improve my muscularity, and achieve some density.. ..

I dont think I am ready yet.. but please.. tell me what you think.

cornfed · 02-07-2003, 10:56 AM

You need to educate yourself on their use, legal issues and safety in using. There are links in posts here and you can run any number of searches on the subject and find both gems and crap. Do some readin' and feel free to ask questions.

StrutDaRoosta · 02-07-2003, 12:20 PM

I see alot of the people askin about AS are realatively SMALLER than I am..

How do any endo/mesomorphic bodytypes go about starting thier first cycle?

crackerjack414 · 02-07-2003, 01:12 PM

iam pretty much a meso all the way around used to think more of an endo but i was wrong as results from the last were outstanding. Basicaly bro iam not gonna tell u u have to be a certain age to start I think you should realy evaluate your goals. If u just wanna be ripped on the beach stay natural for a couple more years now if u wanna compete Id say start now and dont ever look back. I know iam not

BUSTINOUT · 02-07-2003, 02:55 PM

That decision has as much or more to do with emotional maturity than it does physical maturity. You look like you got a good base. I would work on establishing more muscle maturity and maybe trimming down just a bit. You have a good foundation though. I found that the longer I waited, the better results I had. I don't mean that I just exploded, buth the quility just seemed alot better than what I see on younger users.

**Mudge** · 02-08-2003, 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by StrutDaRoosta
I see alot of the people askin about AS are realatively SMALLER than I am..

LoL, dude there are guys on thier 5th cycle and nowhere near 200 pounds yet, and I'm not talking 4'10" guys either.

Some people just dont have the dicipline, for the diet or the training. I HAVE come across threads where someone will be up 3 pounds one week, down 5 the next, and so on, they will claim not feeling like working out that week, getting sick the next, having half ass workouts (at least they admit it), and so on.

Its really a personal choice as to when you want to start, just make sure you know what your doing before hand, legally and chemically. Best to study before hand, because legal problems are a BIG issue right now, there are alot of busts and almost all of them are due to either sloppiness, or being involved in recreational drug use/selling as well. Lots of bad mojo right now.

Only you can decide when you want to start. Just make sure to study up so you dont end up either ripped off, full of side effects, and that sort of thing. There are also guys under 200 pounds using a gram a week, which is f'ing ridiculous

StrutDaRoosta · 02-10-2003, 12:11 PM

Thanx guys for all the responses.

MAN!! Ive been reading and reading and reading... and it just seems like there is a GRIP to learn.. and Im such a n00b, that it just garbles up together..

Well.. I guess I cant just jump into this.. I gotta take it one step at a time.. is there AS for Dummies post or website up?

well.. Ive got my discipline down for diet.. I dont think i know my body well enough as far as training.. so well see.. I'll just keep reading.

Hey BO.. you mentioned abotu MuscularMaturity.. doesnt that just come with time?

MJ23 · 02-10-2003, 02:32 PM

humm. Why are you even wondering???

StrutDaRoosta · 02-10-2003, 02:34 PM

what do you mean why?

Im wondering becuase Im interested in starting.

mrguy · 02-10-2003, 03:58 PM

Hey Strut,

If your curious, here is a site you might find interesting:

[EDIT: PLEASE DO NOT POST URL'S TO OTHER BOARDS HERE!]

If you do decide to do it, be sure to educate yourself about it.

There are lot of bad things that can happen if you do it wrong!

**Mudge** · 02-10-2003, 06:39 PM

There is alot to learn, but that kind of depends on how complex you want to get, and cycles should be IMO very simple until the 'need' arises to get jiggy, which comes with experience and bodyweight neither of which I have. A mistake often made is too high dosing used, and too complicated cycling, I came across a guy planning to do 900mg test and 400mg deca a week for his SECOND cycle, and the guy hardly looks like he lifts, youngster going overboard.

Anyway, there is a fair amount to learn, but like I said there are also the basics, and it doesn't take much to get started. There are some good boards out there, I can PM or email these too you since we can't post them here, which I didn't know...

**dg806** · 02-10-2003, 06:49 PM

this would be a good place to start......................read the profiles of all the drugs!!
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catsteroids.htm

MJ23 · 02-11-2003, 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by StrutDaRoosta
what do you mean why?

Im wondering becuase Im interested in starting.

I thought you just said you are not ready..

It sounds to me like you are looking for sone support or a reason to start by posting about it here

Oh well

www.anabolicreview.com

try that

StrutDaRoosta · 02-11-2003, 09:49 AM

MJ: I think mebbe you need to check your attitude at the door.

Im interested in starting, but I know Im no where near ready..

I know that people on this site talk freely about AS.

I was kinda wondering where to go as far as where IS square one.

Too bad all you have to offer is sacrasm.

SO, unless you have knowledge and info for me, please do not respond to any of my threads.

cornfed · 02-11-2003, 11:31 AM

Hey now, STR... MJ, though a flaming homo, is a decent guy and I can't blame him for being hesitant to give out potentially harmful info to ya...

I'm sure that helpful is what we want to be, but I think the motivation here is also to try to keep people from just jumping on the AAS train.

Some principles to keep in mind:

1)The key to the issue is this...
BB = 60% diet, 40% training & 10% supps
(yeah, I know that's 110, but the principle is true)

2)Supps of any kind when pertaining to hormones are just something to be added to the rest. An d that is something that many do not realize. If you're not making gains naturally, then gear won't benefit you as much as it could.

3)the discipline required to follow a cycle wisely is often underrated and misunderstood. It requires greater discipline to follow diet, training, overtraining, recovery, and then hormone levels than traditionally natural methods.

4) it is a dangerous undertaking unless you are properly educated on the substances, their interaction, the methodology of how they work and the way in which your body responds via side effects, cravings, impulses, etc...

5)tis not wise to do any cycle @ a bf% over 17-18, and never bulk @ over 14%, as neither serve a purpose other than potentially worsening potential problems and preventing the best use of the AAS.

Those are just some general things to consider... and I have a tendency for soapboxes

On a side note (and I'll be the 1st to admit that I'm not the most impressive physical specimen, but I can be a good judge

), you're 228, but if you were shredded, you would be under 200 (probably 185-187lbs), so don't be too anxious to judge by your size just yet. It would be wise to work toward lowering your bf%, while you're contemplating and studying AAS. w/ where you're @ now, I'd look @ trying to get to 200-205 b4 you touch a cc of anything (assuming that you decide to do anything, which noone here but you can decide).

I never will encourage anyone to start AAS. But if a person decides to, then it's best that we help educate them. And it's a continual process. Size does not = knowledge and learning never ends, for any of us.

Try to read up on drug profiles, the endocrine system (the way hormones work and which do what), and also, it would be helpful to have bloodwork done NOW to have a reference point for the future on (test, estradiols, progesterone and prolactin). This can help you beter understand your body which is key.

PEace

StrutDaRoosta · 02-11-2003, 11:35 AM

Cornfed~Sweeet.. thats exactly what I was looking for.

DG806~ Thanx for the site, Ive spent most of the morning on it.

cornfed · 02-11-2003, 11:37 AM

No prob

try testosterones.com for some good profiles on test.

and [size4]BO!!!![/size4] I sent you an email, brother. just thought I'd tell ya.

Twin Peak · 02-11-2003, 11:44 AM

Can I add something, even though I know Squat about illicit AAS and have never touched the stuff?

I would think, were I contemplating using, I'd want to be damn near my genetic limits. In other words, I'd want to make sure the rest of my house was in order (diet, training, rest, supplementation,etc) for long enough to say, man, I have really hit the wall.

cornfed · 02-11-2003, 11:46 AM

True... though it doesn't happen often LOL

MJ23 · 02-11-2003, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by StrutDaRoosta
MJ: I think mebbe you need to check your attitude at the door.

Im interested in starting, but I know Im no where near ready..

I know that people on this site talk freely about AS.

I was kinda wondering where to go as far as where IS square one.

Too bad all you have to offer is sacrasm.

SO, unless you have knowledge and info for me, please do not respond to any of my threads.

W...T...F.....

I listed a good website for you, and I have some more useful information. All I was doing was trying to figure out where you were mentally, because AS gives you a sense of well-being, and you have to be careful about your mental approach - I KNOW THAT FROM EXPERIENCE
but you were too busy getting offended. so FUQ YOU, AND YOUR THREADS

MJ23 · 02-11-2003, 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by cornfed
Hey now, STR... MJ, though a flaming homo, is a decent guy and I can't blame him for being hesitant to give out potentially harmful

U pUnk A$$ . Who you calling a homo

, but thank you for clearing my point to strut

StrutDaRoosta · 02-11-2003, 12:01 PM

Doode, dont get all butt hurt. How the hell am I supposed to react to your vague comments here and in my journals?

You obviously have some baggage to deal withoyourself, bro.

I dont even fvckin know you, and you come up in my threads with rudeness and sarcasm?

You have knowledge? You have experience? GREAT

You dont have the maturity to convey your message, that is clear. If you have a problem with me, please feel free to PM me, Id be more than happy to discuss it with you. If not, move on, and have a nice day.

**Mudge** · 02-11-2003, 12:04 PM

Yeah, I'm near 240 now but damn I need to kill some bodyfat. Unless you compete though, screw being shredded. Gaining size while being low bodyfat is going to be tough, most people dont bulk on clean diets unless they are natural.

MJ23 · 02-11-2003, 12:06 PM

Humm.. I am being rude, and immature - Read your post

This was clearly a waste of my time

MJ23 · 02-11-2003, 12:07 PM

I honestly tried to offer you something by examining that mental stage, but.....

02-07-2003, 10:44 AM	#1
StrutDaRoosta FreshCock on Da Block Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Its Lonely at the TOP Posts: 176	How can you tell if you are ready to start your first cycle? BODYBUILDING SUPPLEMENTS High Quality Supplements For Bodybuilders and Athletes. www.ironmaglabs.com Hey folks! I apologize in advance for my n00bish question.. but... Im 21 years old.. 5'11, 228lbs mesopmorphic leaning towards endo morphic.. Ive been lifting seriously for size only since october.. I know Im not ready yet to start AS, but I wanna know how would I know that Im ready? here's some pix in my journal so you guys can get an idea of my bodytype... http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/sh...851#post269851 I just want to improve my muscularity, and achieve some density.. .. I dont think I am ready yet.. but please.. tell me what you think.
	"Dont be fooled by the cocks on my jock.. Im still, Im still Buddy from the block..." TRAP-A-SAURUS REX: Age: 21 Height: 5'11 Weight: 228lbs Ethnicity: Filipino (Visayan) I'm chasing the EPHEDRINE DRAGON!!! I'll BLOW your MIND, just don't THINK in my MOUTH. LIFT...EAT.. REST...GROW!!!

02-07-2003, 10:56 AM	#2
cornfed Sweet 'lil Innocent Mod Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: serenity now insanity later Posts: 1,802	You need to educate yourself on their use, legal issues and safety in using. There are links in posts here and you can run any number of searches on the subject and find both gems and crap. Do some readin' and feel free to ask questions.
	- "If I ever run into Dave Grohl, I'm gonna kick his fuqqin' ass... because he sucks and he wrote this cheese-dick song for Ozzy that I have to fuqqin' play on and I'll never forgive him for that. Foo Fighters is a fuqqin' candy-ass girl band but you've got that mother-fuqqer submitting songs [for the album], and those douchebags from the Offspring, too." "...Dave Grohl? Fuq Dave Grohl! ...you're getting this guy to write songs for Ozzy? Just because he played drums for fuqqing Sh!tvana?" --- Zakk Wylde --- ---Dimebag Darrel RIP---

02-07-2003, 12:20 PM	#3
StrutDaRoosta FreshCock on Da Block Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Its Lonely at the TOP Posts: 176	I see alot of the people askin about AS are realatively SMALLER than I am.. How do any endo/mesomorphic bodytypes go about starting thier first cycle?
	"Dont be fooled by the cocks on my jock.. Im still, Im still Buddy from the block..." TRAP-A-SAURUS REX: Age: 21 Height: 5'11 Weight: 228lbs Ethnicity: Filipino (Visayan) I'm chasing the EPHEDRINE DRAGON!!! I'll BLOW your MIND, just don't THINK in my MOUTH. LIFT...EAT.. REST...GROW!!!

02-10-2003, 12:11 PM	#7
StrutDaRoosta FreshCock on Da Block Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Its Lonely at the TOP Posts: 176	Thanx guys for all the responses. MAN!! Ive been reading and reading and reading... and it just seems like there is a GRIP to learn.. and Im such a n00b, that it just garbles up together.. Well.. I guess I cant just jump into this.. I gotta take it one step at a time.. is there AS for Dummies post or website up? well.. Ive got my discipline down for diet.. I dont think i know my body well enough as far as training.. so well see.. I'll just keep reading. Hey BO.. you mentioned abotu MuscularMaturity.. doesnt that just come with time? Last edited by StrutDaRoosta : 02-10-2003 at 12:33 PM.
	"Dont be fooled by the cocks on my jock.. Im still, Im still Buddy from the block..." TRAP-A-SAURUS REX: Age: 21 Height: 5'11 Weight: 228lbs Ethnicity: Filipino (Visayan) I'm chasing the EPHEDRINE DRAGON!!! I'll BLOW your MIND, just don't THINK in my MOUTH. LIFT...EAT.. REST...GROW!!!

02-10-2003, 02:32 PM	#8
MJ23 World's Greatest Lovea Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Pimpville Posts: 2,125	humm. Why are you even wondering???
	"It is hard to believe a man is telling the truth, when you know you would lie if you were in his shoes."

02-07-2003, 01:12 PM	#4
crackerjack414 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: cali Posts: 644	iam pretty much a meso all the way around used to think more of an endo but i was wrong as results from the last were outstanding. Basicaly bro iam not gonna tell u u have to be a certain age to start I think you should realy evaluate your goals. If u just wanna be ripped on the beach stay natural for a couple more years now if u wanna compete Id say start now and dont ever look back. I know iam not

02-07-2003, 02:55 PM	#5
BUSTINOUT Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 2,408	That decision has as much or more to do with emotional maturity than it does physical maturity. You look like you got a good base. I would work on establishing more muscle maturity and maybe trimming down just a bit. You have a good foundation though. I found that the longer I waited, the better results I had. I don't mean that I just exploded, buth the quility just seemed alot better than what I see on younger users.

02-10-2003, 02:34 PM	#9
StrutDaRoosta FreshCock on Da Block Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Its Lonely at the TOP Posts: 176	what do you mean why? Im wondering becuase Im interested in starting.
	"Dont be fooled by the cocks on my jock.. Im still, Im still Buddy from the block..." TRAP-A-SAURUS REX: Age: 21 Height: 5'11 Weight: 228lbs Ethnicity: Filipino (Visayan) I'm chasing the EPHEDRINE DRAGON!!! I'll BLOW your MIND, just don't THINK in my MOUTH. LIFT...EAT.. REST...GROW!!!

02-10-2003, 03:58 PM	#10
mrguy Pump Till You POP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 185	Hey Strut, If your curious, here is a site you might find interesting: [EDIT: PLEASE DO NOT POST URL'S TO OTHER BOARDS HERE!] If you do decide to do it, be sure to educate yourself about it. There are lot of bad things that can happen if you do it wrong!
	Was on a Ephedrine buying Frenzy before it was to late... Now, I've got enough stocked up to last 10 years!!

02-10-2003, 06:39 PM	#11
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 22,993 Photos: 1	There is alot to learn, but that kind of depends on how complex you want to get, and cycles should be IMO very simple until the 'need' arises to get jiggy, which comes with experience and bodyweight neither of which I have. A mistake often made is too high dosing used, and too complicated cycling, I came across a guy planning to do 900mg test and 400mg deca a week for his SECOND cycle, and the guy hardly looks like he lifts, youngster going overboard. Anyway, there is a fair amount to learn, but like I said there are also the basics, and it doesn't take much to get started. There are some good boards out there, I can PM or email these too you since we can't post them here, which I didn't know...
	Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks

02-10-2003, 06:49 PM	#12
dg806 Guardian of The Homeland Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 17,086	this would be a good place to start......................read the profiles of all the drugs!! http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catsteroids.htm
	www.sbmuscle.com

02-11-2003, 09:49 AM	#14
StrutDaRoosta FreshCock on Da Block Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Its Lonely at the TOP Posts: 176	MJ: I think mebbe you need to check your attitude at the door. Im interested in starting, but I know Im no where near ready.. I know that people on this site talk freely about AS. I was kinda wondering where to go as far as where IS square one. Too bad all you have to offer is sacrasm. SO, unless you have knowledge and info for me, please do not respond to any of my threads.
	"Dont be fooled by the cocks on my jock.. Im still, Im still Buddy from the block..." TRAP-A-SAURUS REX: Age: 21 Height: 5'11 Weight: 228lbs Ethnicity: Filipino (Visayan) I'm chasing the EPHEDRINE DRAGON!!! I'll BLOW your MIND, just don't THINK in my MOUTH. LIFT...EAT.. REST...GROW!!!

02-11-2003, 11:31 AM	#15
cornfed Sweet 'lil Innocent Mod Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: serenity now insanity later Posts: 1,802	Hey now, STR... MJ, though a flaming homo, is a decent guy and I can't blame him for being hesitant to give out potentially harmful info to ya... I'm sure that helpful is what we want to be, but I think the motivation here is also to try to keep people from just jumping on the AAS train. Some principles to keep in mind: 1)The key to the issue is this... BB = 60% diet, 40% training & 10% supps (yeah, I know that's 110, but the principle is true) 2)Supps of any kind when pertaining to hormones are just something to be added to the rest. An d that is something that many do not realize. If you're not making gains naturally, then gear won't benefit you as much as it could. 3)the discipline required to follow a cycle wisely is often underrated and misunderstood. It requires greater discipline to follow diet, training, overtraining, recovery, and then hormone levels than traditionally natural methods. 4) it is a dangerous undertaking unless you are properly educated on the substances, their interaction, the methodology of how they work and the way in which your body responds via side effects, cravings, impulses, etc... 5)tis not wise to do any cycle @ a bf% over 17-18, and never bulk @ over 14%, as neither serve a purpose other than potentially worsening potential problems and preventing the best use of the AAS. Those are just some general things to consider... and I have a tendency for soapboxes On a side note (and I'll be the 1st to admit that I'm not the most impressive physical specimen, but I can be a good judge ), you're 228, but if you were shredded, you would be under 200 (probably 185-187lbs), so don't be too anxious to judge by your size just yet. It would be wise to work toward lowering your bf%, while you're contemplating and studying AAS. w/ where you're @ now, I'd look @ trying to get to 200-205 b4 you touch a cc of anything (assuming that you decide to do anything, which noone here but you can decide). I never will encourage anyone to start AAS. But if a person decides to, then it's best that we help educate them. And it's a continual process. Size does not = knowledge and learning never ends, for any of us. Try to read up on drug profiles, the endocrine system (the way hormones work and which do what), and also, it would be helpful to have bloodwork done NOW to have a reference point for the future on (test, estradiols, progesterone and prolactin). This can help you beter understand your body which is key. PEace
	- "If I ever run into Dave Grohl, I'm gonna kick his fuqqin' ass... because he sucks and he wrote this cheese-dick song for Ozzy that I have to fuqqin' play on and I'll never forgive him for that. Foo Fighters is a fuqqin' candy-ass girl band but you've got that mother-fuqqer submitting songs [for the album], and those douchebags from the Offspring, too." "...Dave Grohl? Fuq Dave Grohl! ...you're getting this guy to write songs for Ozzy? Just because he played drums for fuqqing Sh!tvana?" --- Zakk Wylde --- ---Dimebag Darrel RIP---

02-11-2003, 11:35 AM	#16
StrutDaRoosta FreshCock on Da Block Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Its Lonely at the TOP Posts: 176	Cornfed~Sweeet.. thats exactly what I was looking for. DG806~ Thanx for the site, Ive spent most of the morning on it.
	"Dont be fooled by the cocks on my jock.. Im still, Im still Buddy from the block..." TRAP-A-SAURUS REX: Age: 21 Height: 5'11 Weight: 228lbs Ethnicity: Filipino (Visayan) I'm chasing the EPHEDRINE DRAGON!!! I'll BLOW your MIND, just don't THINK in my MOUTH. LIFT...EAT.. REST...GROW!!!

02-11-2003, 11:37 AM	#17
cornfed Sweet 'lil Innocent Mod Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: serenity now insanity later Posts: 1,802	No prob try testosterones.com for some good profiles on test. and [size4]BO!!!![/size4] I sent you an email, brother. just thought I'd tell ya.
	- "If I ever run into Dave Grohl, I'm gonna kick his fuqqin' ass... because he sucks and he wrote this cheese-dick song for Ozzy that I have to fuqqin' play on and I'll never forgive him for that. Foo Fighters is a fuqqin' candy-ass girl band but you've got that mother-fuqqer submitting songs [for the album], and those douchebags from the Offspring, too." "...Dave Grohl? Fuq Dave Grohl! ...you're getting this guy to write songs for Ozzy? Just because he played drums for fuqqing Sh!tvana?" --- Zakk Wylde --- ---Dimebag Darrel RIP---

02-11-2003, 11:44 AM	#18
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,967	Can I add something, even though I know Squat about illicit AAS and have never touched the stuff? I would think, were I contemplating using, I'd want to be damn near my genetic limits. In other words, I'd want to make sure the rest of my house was in order (diet, training, rest, supplementation,etc) for long enough to say, man, I have really hit the wall.
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02-11-2003, 11:46 AM	#19
cornfed Sweet 'lil Innocent Mod Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: serenity now insanity later Posts: 1,802	True... though it doesn't happen often LOL
	- "If I ever run into Dave Grohl, I'm gonna kick his fuqqin' ass... because he sucks and he wrote this cheese-dick song for Ozzy that I have to fuqqin' play on and I'll never forgive him for that. Foo Fighters is a fuqqin' candy-ass girl band but you've got that mother-fuqqer submitting songs [for the album], and those douchebags from the Offspring, too." "...Dave Grohl? Fuq Dave Grohl! ...you're getting this guy to write songs for Ozzy? Just because he played drums for fuqqing Sh!tvana?" --- Zakk Wylde --- ---Dimebag Darrel RIP---

02-11-2003, 12:01 PM	#22
StrutDaRoosta FreshCock on Da Block Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Its Lonely at the TOP Posts: 176	Doode, dont get all butt hurt. How the hell am I supposed to react to your vague comments here and in my journals? You obviously have some baggage to deal withoyourself, bro. I dont even fvckin know you, and you come up in my threads with rudeness and sarcasm? You have knowledge? You have experience? GREAT You dont have the maturity to convey your message, that is clear. If you have a problem with me, please feel free to PM me, Id be more than happy to discuss it with you. If not, move on, and have a nice day.
	"Dont be fooled by the cocks on my jock.. Im still, Im still Buddy from the block..." TRAP-A-SAURUS REX: Age: 21 Height: 5'11 Weight: 228lbs Ethnicity: Filipino (Visayan) I'm chasing the EPHEDRINE DRAGON!!! I'll BLOW your MIND, just don't THINK in my MOUTH. LIFT...EAT.. REST...GROW!!!

02-11-2003, 12:04 PM	#23
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 22,993 Photos: 1	Yeah, I'm near 240 now but damn I need to kill some bodyfat. Unless you compete though, screw being shredded. Gaining size while being low bodyfat is going to be tough, most people dont bulk on clean diets unless they are natural.
	Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks

02-11-2003, 12:06 PM	#24
MJ23 World's Greatest Lovea Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Pimpville Posts: 2,125	Humm.. I am being rude, and immature - Read your post This was clearly a waste of my time
	"It is hard to believe a man is telling the truth, when you know you would lie if you were in his shoes."

02-11-2003, 12:07 PM	#25
MJ23 World's Greatest Lovea Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Pimpville Posts: 2,125	I honestly tried to offer you something by examining that mental stage, but.....
	"It is hard to believe a man is telling the truth, when you know you would lie if you were in his shoes."