My HGH / Slin / IGF Protocol! - With AAS Of course. * Research Only*

**OldSchoolLifter** · 12-08-2011, 01:57 PM

This is strictly a research protocol, and should only be used in a research setting.

I decided to go a bit crazy with peptides, My good friends at Purchase Peptides, set me up a great deal on MGF/DES/LR3 for my research test subjects. While Im not affiliated with Purchase Peptides, they have set up a coupon code OSL to save 10% off, I get nothing out of this, it is just something I set up for IM members with them to help save a bit of cash for our great members here.

So I got to thinking and asking questions, and this is the plan I have come up with. Many Thanks to Victorz06 - Pieguy - and Mike Arnold for their input on the following protocol.

Keep in mind Im used to just taking GH/ed at 6iu, and slin pre and post workout. so this is going to be a bit different. Im excited to experiment.

I read that using IGF /Slin and GH more than 3 times per week can cause cell over-saturation and closure. But with the the added MGF I increase the time it takes for sesitivity to increase to around 8 weeks, then a 3 week break is recommended.

The Protocol.

The protocol is as follows; inject all products post workout, With the exception of a DES shot Pre Workout, preferably after training large muscle groups which cause the most glycogen depletion, hence providing faster uptake of peptides. A sample layout is to inject Monday, Wednesday, and Friday.The reason for the high dose growth hormone is to take what would normally be your one week intake of gh and spread it out into 3 equal doses, injected pwo. This will create a truly anabolic rich environment and you will also benefit from full uptake due to your pwo depleted state. In my case I am on 6iu ed so 42/3 = 14iu

Monday ( workout )

Pre Workout
5-10min Pre Workout Inject DES 120mcg Split Bi lat ( 60mcg IM)

Post Workout :
Immediately after workout Pin MGF 150mcg Split bi Lat ( 75mcg)
10-15 min Later inject 14iu HGH IM into one muscle group.
30 min after HGH injection Dose 50mcg LR3 Sub Q
10min Later 5-10iu Humalog ( I will start with 5iu and work to 10iu because the IGF will make me Hypersensitive to the insulin. )

Tuesday -

Pin 100mcg LR3 Sub Q

Wednesday ( workout )

Pre Workout
5-10min Pre Workout Inject DES 120mcg Split Bi lat ( 60mcg IM)

Post Workout
Immediately after workout Pin MGF 150mcg Split bi Lat ( 75mcg)
10-15 min Later inject 14iu HGH IM into one muscle group.
30 min after HGH injection Dose 50mcg LR3 Sub Q
10min Later 5-10iu Humalog ( I will start with 5iu and work to 10iu because the IGF will make me Hypersensitive to the insulin. )

Thursday -

100mcg LR3 Sub Q

Friday ( workout )

Pre Workout
5-10min Pre Workout Inject DES 120mcg Split Bi lat ( 60mcg IM)

Post Workout
Immediately after workout Pin MGF 150mcg Split bi Lat ( 75mcg)
10-15 min Later inject 14iu HGH IM into one muscle group.
30 min after HGH injection Dose 50mcg LR3 Sub Q
10min Later 5-10iu Humalog ( I will start with 5iu and work to 10iu because the IGF will make me Hypersensitive to the insulin. )

Being that MGF is used 3x per week, and LR3 is used 5 days a week off Sat and sun, I think I can minimize desensitization.

I will provide labs after a month of running this protocol, but I will not have baseline levels from before, Im still on the fence on posting pictures, but maybe soon I will unveil. but for now I can promise you blood work in mid January

I will be using The following for AAS

Test Enanthate 750mg W/K
Nandrolone 500mg/wk
30mg dbol ED

All for around 14 weeks.

AI, and so on are in place, I went with longer esters because I will be already pinning so much with the peps, I decided to cut some pins down with long esters. This is subject to change depending on how I feel though!

One I get PEG MGF I may differ from the off days being LR3 to the OFF days being Peg MGF, but for now this is the above.

I full expect my labs to show, IGF levels past 500, and gh sky high.

I will be testing, Human Growth Hormone, Acromegaly Screen (Basic) & Hormone Panel for Females ( to save a buck )

I will be starting this Monday of Next week December 12th, and will continue for 8 weeks, Blood will be drawn January mid-end, I may have a log in the research section if anyone would care to follow.

Current stats, 5'8 226 around 11%

Input if any is appreciated, But just wanted to share.

You can Download the complete Guide and protocol, among Diet, and Reconstituting options Here http://www.unclez.org/wp-content/upl...S-Protocol.xls

It is in excel format

**XYZ** · 12-08-2011, 02:00 PM

What carb concoction are you using for the slin? What about the carbs for the first meal after?

Let me know how the bi-lateral stuff works out, I'm not a believer in that method at all, but that's just me.

Good luck, looks like fun.

**PappyMason** · 12-08-2011, 02:04 PM

should igf be injected into the muscle bi lat? and where do you inject on back days and deadlift days? i understand bi lat arms and chest and shoulders but im lost after that.

**OldSchoolLifter** · 12-08-2011, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by XYZ

What carb concoction are you using for the slin? What about the carbs for the first meal after?

Good question sorry I left that out.

I create my own carb concoction.

Pre Workout

2 Scoop Whey Isolate - 40g Protein
20g Dextrose
Banna, Blended, drink pre workout.

Post workout.

3 Scoops whey Isolate in water ( 60g Protien )
40g Dextrose
Banana, Blended.

1 hour later,

Chicken and Pasta, with Vegetables, along side a Gatorade ( 20g Dextrose )
Around 50-60g Protein, and 100g Simple and complex carbs.

**XYZ** · 12-08-2011, 02:09 PM

Any T3?

**OldSchoolLifter** · 12-08-2011, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by XYZ

What carb concoction are you using for the slin? What about the carbs for the first meal after?

Let me know how the bi-lateral stuff works out, I'm not a believer in that method at all, but that's just me.

Good luck, looks like fun.

Same here Im interestd to see the result! Will keep you posted.

Originally Posted by PappyMason

should igf be injected into the muscle bi lat? and where do you inject on back days and deadlift days? i understand bi lat arms and chest and shoulders but im lost after that.

Im injecting LR3 subq, becasue im already pinning MGF and DES IM Bi lat, and when LR3 is injected sub q it still sends igf to the entire body. while MGF and DES have shown more pronounced affects on site specific injects.

My split is push/legs/ pull

So sites will be Bi' Tris Chest and quads, Possibly lats or traps if im brave enough.

**OldSchoolLifter** · 12-08-2011, 02:10 PM

Originally Posted by XYZ

Any T3?

No T3 but I was thinking of adding T4 as from what I gather GH mixed with the Above will lower my T4 to pretty low levels.

What do you think? Would you throw in some?

**PappyMason** · 12-08-2011, 02:12 PM

yes i mean igf des. sorry for being unclear. but where do you inject bi lat on back lifting days and deadlifting days?

**XYZ** · 12-08-2011, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by OldSchoolLifter

No T3 but I was thinking of adding T4 as from what I gather GH mixed with the Above will lower my T4 to pretty low levels.

What do you think? Would you throw in some?

25-50mcgs ED for the nutrition partioning advantage, and to help keep the extra fat off while using the insulin.

GH may downregulate the thyroid while using it, too many variables right now to get an exact answer.

I use 50mcgs when bulking, keeps everything moving and helps to keep you leaner. It also helped with staying hungry.

**OldSchoolLifter** · 12-08-2011, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by PappyMason

yes i mean igf des. sorry for being unclear. but where do you inject bi lat on back lifting days and deadlifting days?

My biceps fall on my back day so site stuff would be in the biceps or shoulders. and GH in the quads.

**OldSchoolLifter** · 12-08-2011, 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by XYZ

25-50mcgs ED for the nutrition partioning advantage, and to help keep the extra fat off while using the insulin.

GH may downregulate the thyroid while using it, too many variables right now to get an exact answer.

I use 50mcgs when bulking, keeps everything moving and helps to keep you leaner. It also helped with staying hungry.

Thank you for that, Quite a possibility.

So far being that im on 6iu/ed GH and 30iu slin 3 x per meek, I haven't gained much fat, I blame that on the GH helping with inducing lypoliss, being taken everyday.

But Im curious to see when injected in quantities of 14iu only 3x per week will it still help keep fat at bay.

I guess after the first 4 weeks I will see how fat storage is going, and if if my labs show low thyroid function, then it may be time to add that in.

**Vibrant** · 12-08-2011, 02:45 PM

Damn bro, that's a insane protocol. I'll be following this closely. Good luck

**SloppyJ** · 12-08-2011, 02:45 PM

Honestly I wasn't a believer of the site injects until I tried it. They made my muscle groups much more full. I was doing 100mcg DES bi lat on workout days and 100mcg LR3 on non workout days.

I could pin my bis, go play guitar for 45min and they would be pumped up.

**OldSchoolLifter** · 12-08-2011, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by SloppyJ

Honestly I wasn't a believer of the site injects until I tried it. They made my muscle groups much more full. I was doing 100mcg DES bi lat on workout days and 100mcg LR3 on non workout days.

I could pin my bis, go play guitar for 45min and they would be pumped up.

Looking forward to seeing the results.

Did you do 100mcg in each muslce, or split into 50mcg? for a 200mcg total?

**SloppyJ** · 12-08-2011, 02:52 PM

I split it 50mcg/50mcg. Used 1 ml of AA so I'd draw up 10units then draw up 50 units of bacwater.

I had a brain fart one night while I was reconning some CJC/GRF/DES/LR3 and put bac water in the IGF's. The DES dissovled nicely. However the LR3 didn't like the bac water. I added 20units of AA to the vial and it went into solution.

Curious to see if you feel the same way about the site injects.

**OldSchoolLifter** · 12-08-2011, 06:37 PM

Originally Posted by SloppyJ

I split it 50mcg/50mcg. Used 1 ml of AA so I'd draw up 10units then draw up 50 units of bacwater.

I had a brain fart one night while I was reconning some CJC/GRF/DES/LR3 and put bac water in the IGF's. The DES dissovled nicely. However the LR3 didn't like the bac water. I added 20units of AA to the vial and it went into solution.

Curious to see if you feel the same way about the site injects.

Will keep you posted, some swear by site injects others just tell me to do it all sub q and call it a day! I will most likley start with IM bi lats, and then see where that takes me.

Then experiment using the other route.

**VictorZ06** · 12-08-2011, 07:15 PM

OSL, the outline I gave you doesn't call for any T3 or T4 as your thyroid levels will not be effective using this protocol. Ya don't need it bro.

/V

**OldSchoolLifter** · 12-08-2011, 07:19 PM

Originally Posted by VictorZ06

OSL, the outline I gave you doesn't call for any T3 or T4 as your thyroid levels will not be effective using this protocol. Ya don't need it bro.

/V

Very nice! Thank you for the clarification. How does the proposed outline look to you, It pretty much is what you helped me with but slightly revised in a few ways.

Thank you VIC

**VictorZ06** · 12-08-2011, 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by OldSchoolLifter

Very nice! Thank you for the clarification. How does the proposed outline look to you, It pretty much is what you helped me with but slightly revised in a few ways.

Thank you VIC

No problem buddy. Outline looks good, there are a thousand different things you can do to tweak my protocol, hell...you might even come up with some better methods than I have.

The protocol I gave you was developed through trial and error over a long period of time on my part, in conjunction with what other slin vets have told me. I ran at least a dozen or so protocols until I found what worked best for me...my most recent one actually made me "feel" myself grow. I'd wake up in the AM and run over to the mirror to see what kind of results I got in the last 8 hrs. I know....call me obsessive. lol

Keep us posted bro, good luck brotha!!

/V

**OldSchoolLifter** · 12-08-2011, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by VictorZ06

No problem buddy. Outline looks good, there are a thousand different things you can do to tweak my protocol, hell...you might even come up with some better methods than I have.

The protocol I gave you was developed through trial and error over a long period of time on my part, in conjunction with what other slin vets have told me. I ran at least a dozen or so protocols until I found what worked best for me...my most recent one actually made me "feel" myself grow. I'd wake up in the AM and run over to the mirror to see what kind of results I got in the last 8 hrs. I know....call me obsessive. lol

Keep us posted bro, good luck brotha!!

/V

Will do! I dont think I have been this excited before to experiment with a new protocol.

**pieguy** · 12-09-2011, 12:49 AM

Haha this protocol is amazing and insane at the same time. GL OSL.

And yeah, I thot site enhancement was horse shit too until I started DES 50mcg bi-lat ONCE in my chest. I'm a believer now... Talk about muscle fullness >_<

**OldSchoolLifter** · 12-09-2011, 06:09 AM

Originally Posted by pieguy

Haha this protocol is amazing and insane at the same time. GL OSL.

And yeah, I thot site enhancement was horse shit too until I started DES 50mcg bi-lat ONCE in my chest. I'm a believer now... Talk about muscle fullness >_<

Good to hear it, Looking forward to it!

**OldSchoolLifter** · 12-09-2011, 10:47 AM

Well all supplies arrived today, I will post up my Excel file pinning schedule, as well as reconstituting guide, and pictures this evening, so you all can follow the research protocol.

**Chino007** · 12-09-2011, 10:50 AM

Nice smart !!great learning process this why I like this fourm so much to Learn!

**VictorZ06** · 12-09-2011, 12:26 PM

Let the mad growth begin!! Looking forward to seeing how this program works for you. Beauty about the peps, you can adjust on the fly if need be. Good luck brother.

/V

**OldSchoolLifter** · 12-09-2011, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by VictorZ06

Let the mad growth begin!! Looking forward to seeing how this program works for you. Beauty about the peps, you can adjust on the fly if need be. Good luck brother.

/V

Looking forward to it, Like I said I don't think I have had this much excitement before in trying out a new protocol.

Should be wild.

**jimm** · 12-09-2011, 02:16 PM

Good post bro

**OldSchoolLifter** · 12-09-2011, 03:25 PM

You can Download the complete Guide and protocol, among Diet, and Reconstituting options Here http://www.unclez.org/wp-content/upl...S-Protocol.xls

It is in excel format

**OldSchoolLifter** · 12-09-2011, 05:40 PM

Research Has begun, Today was Chest / Tri's / Shoulders I pinned the DES in my chest, MGF in my Triceps, 14iu HGH in one pec, LR3 SubQ and about to unleash the Humalog.

Ohhh boy. lol

You can Download the complete Guide and protocol, among Diet, and Reconstituting options Here http://www.unclez.org/wp-content/upl...S-Protocol.xls

It is in excel format

**D-Lats** · 12-09-2011, 06:12 PM

Let me know how the humalog treats you bro im starting monday

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