short cycle for beginner?

**grotto72** · 12-14-2011, 03:46 AM

considering doing a cycle after i get back overseas but i will only have 12-14weeks including pct before i change jobs which involves a lot of travel.
so with 8-10 weeks available for aas use should i only be using test P? from what i've read on the forum test E should have longer cycle of 12wks. could i use both or just P for 500-600mg/wk?

**Patriot1405** · 12-14-2011, 03:53 AM

If you can stand the ED or EOD pinning definitely go with prop, for an eight week cycle. I personally love the short esters and I pin ED, I get much less bloat as well. Plus there's a shorter waiting period to start PCT

**grotto72** · 12-14-2011, 04:01 AM

yeh i'd be doing 200mgx3 a week. just got to get my bf% down in the next 2 months.
more cardio and higher rep sets here i come.

**jimm** · 12-14-2011, 04:22 AM

Read the stickies man ffs and if your new job involve alot of travrlling your gonna probly lose most of your gains no point in juicing imo... Waste of time n money.

**D-Lats** · 12-14-2011, 04:49 AM

What are your stats and goals bro.

**grotto72** · 12-14-2011, 04:07 PM

i will still be able to work out with the new job just not as strict as what im doing now.

Im 5'8", 25 years old,195lbs, 18-20%BF. been training nearly 1.5 years. was mainly training strength with low rep sets and maybe 1 cardio session every 2 weeks. have put on 30lb in a year. was planning on doing 2 cardio sess a week and higher rep sets for the next 2 months before thinking about doing a cycle. try get down to 12%bf and gain muscle from high rep sets.

lifts are
Bench 205 (shit i know)
Military press 170
squat 360
deadlift 450

I will only consider doing the cycle if i get my fat levels down. will need to clean up my diet a bit and reduce the amount of potatoes and rice i eat. the goal would be to try and keep around 10lb of gains

**Usealittle** · 12-14-2011, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by grotto72

yeh i'd be doing 200mgx3 a week. just got to get my bf% down in the next 2 months.
more cardio and higher rep sets here i come.

why? thats not gonna make you burn more fat.

**oufinny** · 12-14-2011, 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by grotto72

yeh i'd be doing 200mgx3 a week. just got to get my bf% down in the next 2 months.
more cardio and higher rep sets here i come.

High reps for cutting is a myth and backwards to what you should do. I push myself to lift heavy and may shorten rest some but I don't go to 20 rep set just because.

**njc** · 12-14-2011, 06:41 PM

You shoulder press almost as much as you bench? Doesn't make sense.

**grotto72** · 12-14-2011, 07:24 PM

Originally Posted by oufinny

High reps for cutting is a myth and backwards to what you should do. I push myself to lift heavy and may shorten rest some but I don't go to 20 rep set just because.

i dont mean 20 reps. i was normally training 4x5 but then i stopped gaining weight for over a month. gone to 4x8 and have started to gain again. higher volume for more hypertrophy right?

when i bench i get pain just under where the clavical joins to the shoulder sometimes. i dont get any pain when shoulder pressing although i use a bit of leg drive. those lifts are max so working sets were a bit less but now a bit lower with the 4x8

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