So what's better UGL or Pharma?

**Chrisotpherm** · 12-18-2011, 07:54 PM

So what's better UGL or Pharma?

Well they both have advantages over each other but I believe Pharma is a better choice where possible because of one main reason – safety.

To me, keeping safe & healthy as possible is important when using steroids. Choosing Pharma over UGL is one such precaution I can take to limit the health risks when using steroids.

Obviously there are unavoidable risks & side effects that come with the use of steroids whether it's UGL or Pharma. It makes no difference whether someone is using UGL or Pharma test e for example, there's going to be health side effects from high dose testosterone in equal proportion from both.

Do you know what's in your oil?

Well there's really no way of knowing exactly what's in the oil without getting it tested. But using Pharma gives you that reassurance that the product has been manufactures under strict sterile conditions & safety checked in the process. That's a reassurance that doesn't come with UGL.

There has been high levels of bacteria found in UGL oils but that's not the only worrying thing. It's things like toxic heavy metals such as tin, lead, mercury & arsenic that has been found in UGL products. It's also said that the contamination with these toxic heavy metals come from the raw powders. There could be 10 UGLs all using the same raw powder supplier resulting in multiple labs with these unwanted metals in their oil.

I've personally had experience where I've seen brown particles floating around in the oil of a UGL product. I've also seen people report the same thing with pictures to support their claim. I have no idea what the particles are, I do know I don't want them in my body & it makes you wonder about the things that can't been seen in the oil. I've also see someone find that the contents of the vial did not match the label.

If any of the above things were to be found in a pharmaceutical steroid I think there would be panic, outrage & a mass product recall.

Dosing

As mentioned above, pharma steroids are manufactured under strict, licensed conditions which not only ensures the end product is as safe as possible but accurately dosed. Some UGLs have been tested, found to be under dosed & over dosed, not only slightly over dosed but dosed at more than double of that stated on the label. Now some of you may be thinking that's cool, but it's not, inaccurate dosing is dangerous.

So what's better about UGL then?

There are a few advantages UGL has over pharma such as cost, more easily available, high dosed mg/ml products & much wider range of products but I'm just going to talk about the product range as this is the main one.

Don't get me wrong here, I'm not saying you should not use UGL because I have & still do. There are plenty of UGLs out there that produce good products but I'm very selective about which labs I use.

Someone could always run a Pharma only cycle but they would be limited to the compounds available. For example my beloved Tbol is produced only by UGLs so I have no choice other than to use a UGL for this. I think it's a good idea to cycle with a mix of both Pharma & a reputable UGL. When it comes to PCT meds I use nothing other than Pharma.

I should also just add that not all pharma is equal, I'm sure pharmaceutical companies in Iran for example have different manufacturing regulations to that of the UK. I think it's good practice to be selective with both Pharma & UGL.

So that's my take on the UGL vs Pharma debit. They both have advantages over each other but the safer end product that comes with good Pharma out weighs any reason to choose a UGL product that's available as pharmaceutical grade.

**Mr.BIG** · 12-18-2011, 08:04 PM

Nice write up!

**Digitalash** · 12-18-2011, 08:11 PM

There are good UGL's out there, and reputable companies that deal with pct/AI's etc. Problem is you never how long they're gonna last before they start having issues, and getting irreversible gyno or permanent shutdown is too scary to mess with for me. I'd rather get fake gear than fake chems

**WendysBaconator** · 12-18-2011, 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by Digitalash

There are good UGL's out there, and reputable companies that deal with pct/AI's etc. Problem is you never how long they're gonna last before they start having issues, and getting irreversible gyno or permanent shutdown is too scary to mess with for me. I'd rather get fake gear than fake chems

This is something a lot of people overlooked. Underdosed or bunk research chems, especially when you need them i.e. clomid & nolva.

**Digitalash** · 12-18-2011, 08:23 PM

or even just arimidex/aromasin, I already have some gyno from puberty and it's not something you want to have forever. I've had good luck with EP and recently PP but I have a pretty good size order of pharma anastrozole coming in just in case I ever have an issue with the RC's. It's good to have just in case, I intend to keep using RC's to save money but I can immediately start tamox and a-dex if they ever turn out to be garbage

**UniGlocker** · 12-18-2011, 08:23 PM

If you want to run an HGH/test cycle using legit prescriptions, 6 months runs about $6500 to $7000. Even using the very best ugl HGH and test, you can come in for less than a third of that pharma cost. Yeah, my health is important to me, and I attend to it. I deal with a very reputable source and everything I've gotten has been very potent, sterile and affordable.

**dav1dg90** · 12-18-2011, 08:50 PM

Nice write up brotha!!! I agree with you on this subject 100%, but there a deff some very good reputable UGL's out there. Sometime you have to use a UGL as you stated when you need some orals and Mast, Tren, EQ, etc.... You just got to know your supplier and trust his prodcut and you should be allset!!!

**weakback** · 12-18-2011, 10:05 PM

I think pharmaceutical grade is a better and safer choice,even though i use ugl also.

**Noheawaiian** · 12-18-2011, 10:18 PM

Pharma

**chucky1** · 12-18-2011, 10:23 PM

I love home brewed in a bath tub gear cuz I can afford it and it works

I keep hearing that ** and ** are not really HG gear but who knows, I don't have proof but $190 for 10mls of cyp is just crazy.

not trying to bash Im just mad I cant aford it...

**OldSchoolLifter** · 12-18-2011, 10:27 PM

Pharma is nice, but some of the best gear I have ever used was UGL

**JCBourne** · 12-18-2011, 10:41 PM

99% of sponsors on this forum are UGL by USA standards.

Including the one your repping for Chris, Big and Digital. I love you guys, but I'm just stating a fact.

There are a few sponsors that I see with Pharma grade, and I only know of one that sells actual HG gear based on experience, I cannot vouch for others.

I've yet to meet someone with half a brain run into the problems you listed for UGL. Unless your buying from a horrible source, most UGL's on this board are clean and issue free.

**Digitalash** · 12-18-2011, 10:45 PM

^ I hear that, pm WP though and he'll work something out with you. Cruising on 250mg cypiobolic now and feelin like a boss

**BP2000** · 12-18-2011, 10:46 PM

true that homie. Only way to get pharma is to go to walgreen's and buy that shit.

**slownsteady** · 12-18-2011, 10:48 PM

I have had some good ugl stuff and cheap. If I have the means, pharma is my pick. Ugl is easier to get and cheaper, so for now I go ugl plus Im a TRT patient, but I need a little more than my trt, so ugl that is g2g is for me. I think scary that metals, mercury ect could be in ugl, but I take the risk.

**Noheawaiian** · 12-18-2011, 10:55 PM

Originally Posted by chucky1

I love home brewed in a bath tub gear cuz I can afford it and it works

I keep hearing that ** and ** are not really HG gear but who knows, I don't have proof but $190 for 10mls of cyp is just crazy.

not trying to bash Im just mad I cant aford it...

You can afford aome pharma stuff from MY friend

**World-Pharma.org** · 12-18-2011, 11:01 PM

and here you can see UGL steroids production and Human -GMP steroids production..and then you can see what is safer!

and

**Imosted** · 12-18-2011, 11:03 PM

Originally Posted by World-Pharma.org

and here you can see UGL steroids production and Human -GMP steroids production..and then you can see what is safer!

and

**JCBourne** · 12-18-2011, 11:09 PM

Originally Posted by Imosted

Can you pass me a cup of your FDA approved coffee?

Thanks,

**Noheawaiian** · 12-18-2011, 11:12 PM

I got the WWE, WHO, and GOLMP on the phone to certify and approve my gears...

**UniGlocker** · 12-18-2011, 11:14 PM

If I could afford legitimate pharmaceutical grade gear that's all I would buy. I can't afford it...yet. I'm getting closer. I'm probably a little to a lot older than some of you; I'm 52. I'm interested in the rejuvenation powers of HGH and test. They run a monster blood panel on you that runs about $700.00, then you're sent to one of their physicians. The closest one to me is about 700 miles. That's a $630.00 visit. Then they prescribe HGH and test at levels they believe will benefit you the most by turning back the clock. They're not interested in your desire to body build or power lift. They're a rejuvination clinic. So far I've found about a dozen outfits that all offer basically the same thing, and the prices are close enough that I call them the same. But, after this last cycle, that's what I'll be looking for. Besides, you can accomplish a lot if your diet and workout are dialed in just right.

**Vibrant** · 12-19-2011, 07:42 AM

Originally Posted by World-Pharma.org

I really didnt want to get into this thread but this video has nothing to do with anything. Give me a few grand for cameras/actors and I can make it look like I'm producing gear on star trek in a lab 3000 thousands years into the future. yet it would still be ugl.

**ANIMALHAUS** · 12-19-2011, 07:54 AM

Originally Posted by World-Pharma.org

and here you can see UGL steroids production and Human -GMP steroids production..and then you can see what is safer!

and

**Grozny** · 12-19-2011, 09:21 AM

Originally Posted by Chrisotpherm

So what's better UGL or Pharma?
There has been high levels of bacteria found in UGL oils but that's not the only worrying thing. It's things like toxic heavy metals such as tin, lead, mercury & arsenic that has been found in UGL products. It's also said that the contamination with these toxic heavy metals come from the raw powders. There could be 10 UGLs all using the same raw powder supplier resulting in multiple labs with these unwanted metals in their oil.

My personal choice will be definitely GH gear too but imo there are certainly some good underground companies out there; that take sterility (at least general cleanliness) seriously.

Originally Posted by Chrisotpherm

I should also just add that not all pharma is equal, I'm sure pharmaceutical companies in Iran for example have different manufacturing regulations to that of the UK. I think it's good practice to be selective with both Pharma & UGL.

Not at all bro its dosent meen now its a "shit holes" a lot of UK pharmaceutical companies subcontract to Asian manufacturers which produce the meds in bulk, import in UK, they just label it in UK and then sell it on the local UK market as generics. Countries like India & China represent a huge percent of the pharmaceutical API manufacturers even for plenty of European manufacturers.

Most of big pharma house from US and EU like a Pfizer, Merck etc have indian and chinese R&D teams, in fact the R&D centers for most US and EU brands are based in Asia.

**Chrisotpherm** · 12-19-2011, 02:24 PM

^^^this is true and am not saying that there isn't some very classy UGL sources out there but am saying that not matter how sterile or precautions they take can never be the pharma products. Yes it is true they are pricey but a little extra for your overall health is worth it. Plus we really won't know the affects of UGL on our body until it is to late i.e. death at worse, infection or years down the road and find out that we injected more than just gear. With pharma you run less likely for those above and would hate to see any bro's here suffer any bad sides.

Like digit said too, on the use of the ai and pct products we need we can't afford for any bunk or under dosed gear as true price those failures could ruin us for life.

I will not promote in here, because I have learned my lane and anobolic section isn't the place to promote and we all must do a better job at respecting those boundaries. You guys are all awesome in my book, and we must do the right things in the right threads Gents.

So Mote it Be
Chris

**pieguy** · 12-19-2011, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by ANIMALHOUSE

Indeed.

Why are these always started by WP reps?

**Chrisotpherm** · 12-20-2011, 01:33 PM

No matter what or where a WP rep post you guys will find some way to complain about it. Pretty sure haven't said anything about WP products. What about others who have posted.

So Mote it Be
Chris

**Noheawaiian** · 12-20-2011, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by Vibrant

I really didnt want to get into this thread but this video has nothing to do with anything. Give me a few grand for cameras/actors and I can make it look like I'm producing gear on star trek in a lab 3000 thousands years into the future. yet it would still be ugl.

A little video editing and it would take much less than a few grand

**chucky1** · 12-20-2011, 02:20 PM

bro... you gotta admit that this was related to wp, trying to drive people to buy gmp/ hg prods, and this is what people are going to think every time wp reps post shit like this, nice try

**Vibrant** · 12-20-2011, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by Noheawaiian

A little video editing and it would take much less than a few grand

well im not some cheap chinaman that doesnt want to be reimbursed for his work.

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