Thread: Using Prop at 100mg EOD for kickstart?

looks fine.

whats your dosage on T3 and Clen?

Cycle History?
Stats?
Age?
Weight?
Height?
BF?

Originally Posted by justhav2p

looks fine.

whats your dosage on T3 and Clen?

Cycle History?
Stats?
Age?
Weight?
Height?
BF?

Clen will be the norm from what was posted here. Not going over 100mcg a day. Will taper up.
T-3 will start out at 12.5mcg a week then up it every week by 12.5 and not exceed over 75mcg.

Got off a 14 week cycle of Cyp/Winny (35lb gain) Lost 15 during pct.
Lifting around 32 months
26
sitting at 200lbs now
5'10"
Last I checked which was on cycle was 17% (3 months ago). This was from the device you grip with your hands. Prob off somewhat. Def was never over weight. Was always skinny.
Been on EC for 2 weeks trying to cut BF down before I start up again. End of Jan 2012 will equal my time on = time off ratio.

Originally Posted by eXistence

Clen will be the norm from what was posted here. Not going over 100mcg a day. Will taper up.
T-3 will start out at 12.5mcg a week then up it every week by 12.5 and not exceed over 75mcg.

Got off a 14 week cycle of Cyp/Winny (35lb gain) Lost 15 during pct.
Lifting around 32 months
26
sitting at 200lbs now
5'10"
Last I checked which was on cycle was 17% (3 months ago). This was from the device you grip with your hands. Prob off somewhat. Def was never over weight. Was always skinny.
Been on EC for 2 weeks trying to cut BF down before I start up again. End of Jan 2012 will equal my time on = time off ratio.

Nice, we have similar stats...

Drop the Winny. Shit is good for low body fat...

I assume your going to do a cut? maybe cut / recomp? I wouldnt do a bulk with your body fat high already.

I would do a equipose/test cycle. You would run eq for 16 weeks... That way you could do a full out cut for 8 weeks(reduce your cals in half and cardio 7 days a week with weight training) do a bulk with the remaining 8 weeks keeping up with the cardio and heavy on the training and clean bulk diet.

Originally Posted by justhav2p

Nice, we have similar stats...

Drop the Winny. Shit is good for low body fat...

I assume your going to do a cut? maybe cut / recomp? I wouldnt do a bulk with your body fat high already.

I would do a equipose/test cycle. You would run eq for 16 weeks... That way you could do a full out cut for 8 weeks(reduce your cals in half and cardio 7 days a week with weight training) do a bulk with the remaining 8 weeks keeping up with the cardio and heavy on the training and clean bulk diet.

Thing is I already have the Cyp/Winny on hand from a previous order. They sent me extra. So I will be purchasing Prop, T3 and Clen. I already have more than enough PCT and HCG stuff to last 3 cycles lol. Whats wrong with taking the winny during the end of cycle which will help me get that extra umph!!

I was going to eat around 250 calories above maintenance on lifting days and eat at maintenance on non-lifting days. Cause I know when taking the T-3 and Clen I don't want to go to much below maintenance due to T-3 possibly causing muscle loss/eats away muscle.

Also that test isn't 100 percent accurate. I need to go check the calipers. I will say I do hold all my fat in my lower abs and on my sides. I wear a 32" pant size. So I'm def not fat. While standing up I can take my finger and push in about 3/4" into my fat area (lower abs) before hitting muscle. I swear its the hardest fucking part of fat to get rid of lol.

Prop 100mg EOD was a pretty nice kickstart to me. When I do it again I'm gonna do 150 though.

Originally Posted by SloppyJ

Prop 100mg EOD was a pretty nice kickstart to me. When I do it again I'm gonna do 150 though.

Any sides and around what day did you feel a strength gain?

Originally Posted by eXistence

Thing is I already have the Cyp/Winny on hand from a previous order. They sent me extra. So I will be purchasing Prop, T3 and Clen. I already have more than enough PCT and HCG stuff to last 3 cycles lol. Whats wrong with taking the winny during the end of cycle which will help me get that extra umph!!

I was going to eat around 250 calories above maintenance on lifting days and eat at maintenance on non-lifting days. Cause I know when taking the T-3 and Clen I don't want to go to much below maintenance due to T-3 possibly causing muscle loss/eats away muscle.

Also that test isn't 100 percent accurate. I need to go check the calipers. I will say I do hold all my fat in my lower abs and on my sides. I wear a 32" pant size. So I'm def not fat. While standing up I can take my finger and push in about 3/4" into my fat area (lower abs) before hitting muscle. I swear its the hardest fucking part of fat to get rid of lol.

Winny will "harden and dry you up" but only at low body fat... your not going to be able to see it's effects under a layer of fat.

use the T3 and clen no matter what you decide up as long as your running test at a minimum of 500 mgs a week. The T3 and clen won't eat away muscle as long as your running high anabolics like deca or tren... you could always run deca to make sure your not going to lose muscle with T3..

what are your overall goals for this next cycle? You want ripped 6 pack or you want huge upper body with belly same?

Originally Posted by justhav2p

Winny will "harden and dry you up" but only at low body fat... your not going to be able to see it's effects under a layer of fat.

use the T3 and clen no matter what you decide up as long as your running test at a minimum of 500 mgs a week. The T3 and clen won't eat away muscle as long as your running high anabolics like deca or tren... you could always run deca to make sure your not going to lose muscle with T3..

what are your overall goals for this next cycle? You want ripped 6 pack or you want huge upper body with belly same?

Im wanting to bring my BF possibly out of the teens to be honest. Im not that big on ripped 6 packed, but It would be nice to see them. When I flex my stomach you can slightly see the outline of my upper abs. I will prob be running 600-750 a week of test as I did great on 500 a week last cycle. I def want huge upper body along with legs of course lol. Who wants to be that guy??? haha. As for the Winny guess I could always sneak in a pill here and there into my girlfriends food

but yea, do you agree with my diet though? Will be doing a 40/40/20 macro ratio P/C/F.

100 is a good dose to kickstart

Originally Posted by eXistence

Any sides and around what day did you feel a strength gain?

No sides. And I was feeling the test by the end of the first week.

Originally Posted by aminoman74

100 is a good dose to kickstart

Originally Posted by SloppyJ

No sides. And I was feeling the test by the end of the first week.

EOD is ok though right which would equate to 400mg one week then 300mg the next week. Would I just add in more for the week that comes out to be 300mg?

Originally Posted by eXistence

EOD is ok though right which would equate to 400mg one week then 300mg the next week. Would I just add in more for the week that comes out to be 300mg?

Think in terms of half life, not weeks. Youre pinning schedule is fine.

[QUOTE=eXistence;2605784]Is this ok to do or is that too much?

Cycle consist of

1-3 Test Prop 100mg eod - to jumpstart instead of an oral
1-12 Test E/C 500mg a week
8-12 50mg winny ed or on lifting days
1-12 T3
1-12 clen (2 weeks on/2 weeks off)
HCG
Aromasin
then proper pct

The prop on the front is a nice idea. I like it and your dose is good.
The test is alright for a average person to make decent gains depending on diet ofcourse. But what I dont see you mentioning is to do HCG during your cycle. You may be wise to include that @250-500 iu's 2x wkly and up until PCT starts.
The other thing is you should include arimadex in this cycle. It would seem to me that .5mgs arimadex mon, wed & fri during cycle and up till PCT would be a good choice.
Stay on the adex up till PCT starts then start the aromasin along with your clomid and you should be fine.
I cant tell you much about t-3 or clen because I havent used them. I dont have a issue with trying to loose weight but as you mentioned you want to loose some. Which is all the more reason for you to pay particular attention to you'r ai's while on.
Because as you know if your BF% is high you have more of a chance of gyno issues or symptoms.
This could be a very productive cycle for you and the doses are moderate which shows a lot of common sence.
Good luck with your cycle and I hope this has helped some.
If theres any other questions just ask.

^he's got aromasin in his cycle... HCG is of course a request

[QUOTE=Roaddkingg;2606173]

Originally Posted by eXistence

Is this ok to do or is that too much?

Cycle consist of

1-3 Test Prop 100mg eod - to jumpstart instead of an oral
1-12 Test E/C 500mg a week
8-12 50mg winny ed or on lifting days
1-12 T3
1-12 clen (2 weeks on/2 weeks off)
HCG
Aromasin
then proper pct

The prop on the front is a nice idea. I like it and your dose is good.
The test is alright for a average person to make decent gains depending on diet ofcourse. But what I dont see you mentioning is to do HCG during your cycle. You may be wise to include that @250-500 iu's 2x wkly and up until PCT starts.
The other thing is you should include arimadex in this cycle. It would seem to me that .5mgs arimadex mon, wed & fri during cycle and up till PCT would be a good choice.
Stay on the adex up till PCT starts then start the aromasin along with your clomid and you should be fine.
I cant tell you much about t-3 or clen because I havent used them. I dont have a issue with trying to loose weight but as you mentioned you want to loose some. Which is all the more reason for you to pay particular attention to you'r ai's while on.
Because as you know if your BF% is high you have more of a chance of gyno issues or symptoms.
This could be a very productive cycle for you and the doses are moderate which shows a lot of common sence.
Good luck with your cycle and I hope this has helped some.
If theres any other questions just ask.

Guess I should have been more specific on the HCG and Aromasin. Yes I will be taking 500iu's weekly then increasing by 500iu's if needed to. I will be taking aromasin 12.5mg EOD to keep the bloat down if any arises. HCG will be started on week 3 more than likely and Aromasin will be started from beginning to end

Then I will go to PCT. After last shot I wait 2 weeks then start my 4-5 week of PCT that consists of clomid and Aromasin which worked good for my last. Cept I had a few tracers from the clomid at night time lol.

Originally Posted by justhav2p

^he's got aromasin in his cycle... HCG is of course a request

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If you average it out you're getting 350 per week. Multiple your EOD dose by 2.5 to get what you would take in one week.

Originally Posted by SloppyJ

If you average it out you're getting 350 per week. Multiple your EOD dose by 2.5 to get what you would take in one week.

So only 250mg a week? Doesn't make much sense.