Thread: Second cycle, is this too much?

edit: oh wow I read this all wrong, that's a pretty serious cycle though

I suppose you could do it but I might run nolva while running the drol , and definitely be ready to drop something if your bp starts getting out of control or something similar. It seems like a little much honestly with prop/npp/drol/dbol/test E. Maybe drop the npp and do the drol kickstart, with additional prop/dbol later in the cycle whenever you feel things are slowing down. Maybe take some liver supports too lol

It looks like a little too much, how about a test/deca/dbol bulker? It's just that you're planning on jumping from using only one compound to 3 or more new compounds.

Originally Posted by Digitalash

edit: oh wow I read this all wrong, that's a pretty serious cycle though

I suppose you could do it but I might run nolva while running the drol , and definitely be ready to drop something if your bp starts getting out of control or something similar. It seems like a little much honestly with prop/npp/drol/dbol/test E. Maybe drop the npp and do the drol kickstart, with additional prop/dbol later in the cycle whenever you feel things are slowing down. Maybe take some liver supports too lol

DOH. i was going to add in the liver support. For shits and giggles I was going to order the IM stuff. I love my liver.

I also have a bag of nolva on hand that I didnt need to use, not sure how much more or anything else I should pick up. I second that this might have been a tad much, but that is why I asked. Not a dummy that asks after they start or already ordered it. You guys are the vets, im just learning and having fun...as safely as possible.

Test E/npp with dbol in the front and back is probably how I would run it, drol sounds pretty dirty to me

npp and dbol should kick in quick til the test gets rolling (750mg's a pretty healthy dose imo, you should easily grow on that), run the npp for 8-10 and do the dbol bridge you outlined in the table at the end?

Originally Posted by Vibrant

It looks like a little too much, how about a test/deca/dbol bulker? It's just that you're planning on jumping from using only one compound to 3 or more new compounds.

I appreciate that vibrant. Its my second cycle, and ill have plenty more ahead of me.

Ill post up a less destructive cycle later for review.

Originally Posted by suprfast

DOH. i was going to add in the liver support. For shits and giggles I was going to order the IM stuff. I love my liver.

I also have a bag of nolva on hand that I didnt need to use

Yeah I think it had something to do with drol binding directly to the estrogen receptor rather than aromatizing, but I've heard from some of the more experienced guys that drol can cause gyno even with an AI. 10-20mg nolva for that 4 weeks or whatever should be plenty though if you go with drol

Not sure On liver supps but IM cycle support gets alot of praise, also liv 52 though I can't say I know exactly what's in it

Two of the places Im looking at dont offer NPP but have Deca. Worried about Deca-dick.

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I think you will love it bro, except the d-bol seems like alot maybe just run it in the beginning till your t kicks in, test and deca cycle has been used for years and people love it might want to run caber or prami along with your AI. I ran test c and deca 800/400mg my first cycle with huge results

instead of splitting dbol for two four week periods, do it for 5-6weeks at the beginning. then use a drier finisher oral like tbol for weeks 11-14, that way you also have something in you in the weeks you're waiting for the esters to clear for pct. and are you going with npp or deca, thats not very clear in the graph?

Most likely deca since neither of the sponsors I was looking at for this run have npp

Originally Posted by Vibrant

instead of splitting dbol for two four week periods, do it for 5-6weeks at the beginning. then use a drier finisher oral like tbol for weeks 11-14, that way you also have something in you in the weeks you're waiting for the esters to clear for pct. and are you going with npp or deca, thats not very clear in the graph?

I've heard super dmz is a good finisher as well from some big hitters in here.

Is there any reason he wouldn't want to ramp up test level at 6 weeks and 9 weeks to address the myostatin levels? I know I have needed to but this is more complicated than my cycle with the deca.

? Did I miss it? Not sure if I did, or if anyone asked... What was your first cycle and the doses of aas takin?

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Originally Posted by banker23

I've heard super dmz is a good finisher as well from some big hitters in here.

Is there any reason he wouldn't want to ramp up test level at 6 weeks and 9 weeks to address the myostatin levels? I know I have needed to but this is more complicated than my cycle with the deca.

Good call on the dmz. Heard good things about it. Might replace the dbol on the back side

For a second cycle that is just retarded.

Post some pics, you better be a huge ripped beast.

I like retarded

I'd run Var at the end instead of the Dbol again, BUT thats just me. Dbol is more of a kickstart, and sure can be used to get you past that 8/9 week wall but I'd rather shock the body and use something thats gonna tighten all your gains up.

Just my .02 though.

Originally Posted by suprfast

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Ok..... You said test only, HOW MUCH!?

Originally Posted by Usealittle

Ok..... You said test only, HOW MUCH!?

Doh. You win this round.

500Mg Weeks 1-8.
750 9-10
. Foot in mouth now
Sorry bout that man

Run 750 the hole time with maybe 2-300 deca. Don't think you need dbol also... But that too is up to you.

well if you try to run hcg throughout the cycle and and the first weeks of pct you're not going to recover.

you either use hcg throughout or at the beginning of pct, not both.

hcg throughout is the way that works for me, i recover extremely fast from cycles of 1.5 - 2g/wk. If you do run it throughout you need to stop hcg 2 weeks before you start your nolva/clomid in order re-sensitize your body to LH.

How bout just test and Dbol? Or test with a Dbol kicker and Var or Halo as a finisher? Are you dead set on using Deca?

FWIW I will be starting a 12week TestE cycle (500mg ew) with a Dbol kick start and a Super DMZ finisher (gonna run the DMZ while the test clears). This cycle was recomended to be by some very respected vets around here. Either way good luck with what ever you decide.

Originally Posted by rc771

well if you try to run hcg throughout the cycle and and the first weeks of pct you're not going to recover.

you either use hcg throughout or at the beginning of pct, not both.

hcg throughout is the way that works for me, i recover extremely fast from cycles of 1.5 - 2g/wk. If you do run it throughout you need to stop hcg 2 weeks before you start your nolva/clomid in order re-sensitize your body to LH.

Im not running it into PCT just the two weeks while the test clears. Doing that as we speak. Just something in the thread about first timers by heavy. Nuts have been huge the whole time.

Originally Posted by rage racing

How bout just test and Dbol? Or test with a Dbol kicker and Var or Halo as a finisher? Are you dead set on using Deca?

FWIW I will be starting a 12week TestE cycle (500mg ew) with a Dbol kick start and a Super DMZ finisher (gonna run the DMZ while the test clears). This cycle was recomended to be by some very respected vets around here. Either way good luck with what ever you decide.

I am not dead set on Deca. I am dead set on making some real gains for my next cycle. Wasnt too thrilled with the gains from a test only(500mg/wk) cycle. Ill wait till after I PCT to compare from my starter pics. Basically I am starting my research now, and I have until April to finalize it. Plus I just like learning more shit. The more it relates to me the more I learn.

If you're not dead set on using all these compounds, keep it simple with like 750mg test and 40mg dbol for the first six weeks. Up your test dosage to a g if necessary around week 7-8 and run it 10 weeks. Use plenty of AI and you won't have to worry about caber and whether the nolva you took for gyno is interacting with the nandrolone etc. You can run nolva at 10mg every day if you like and have no problems with pretty good dosages of test/dbol, though enough a-dex should be plenty. Just my .02, test/dbol is cheap and effective and you'll feel awesome all the way through, no progestin effects to worry about or feeling like death on drol etc. If you're not happy with it at any point up your dosages a bit

I'm not dead set and am even open to a short Esther Basically I have a lot of learning to do and will most likely end up with a higher end basic cycle. Any thoughts on sust?

If your goal is mass gains I don't think primo would even be worth it, from what heavy says it's real benefit is in nitrogen retention and the ability to retain lbm while eating very low calories. Test/dbol should satisfy your desire for mass and if that's not enough for you throw in a 6 week cut with tren at the end to harden things up