Thread: gear for joints?

Deca Durabolin is known to have VERY good effects on joints/joint pain. But I would not suggest running an aas "just" for joint repair. There are many other types of steroids designed to help relieve inflamation in the joints.
Deca, however, IS like liquid gold when it comes to making your joints feel 10-20 years younger.

Originally Posted by Noheawaiian

Deca Durabolin is known to have VERY good effects on joints/joint pain. But I would not suggest running an aas "just" for joint repair. There are many other types of steroids designed to help relieve inflamation in the joints.
Deca, however, IS like liquid gold when it comes to making your joints feel 10-20 years younger.

^^^ This

run deca and some type of peptides or hgh. cjc-1295 + ghrp 6 OR 2 is a great combo from what I hear. Provides similar results to hgh at a much lower cost, and will help with joint repair probably even more than deca.

If you have serious joint issues to the point it's becoming difficult to lift though, I would definitely see a doctor. Deca/gh will probably work great for just the minor aches and pains of a well used joint, but if there's a real medical issue there you might require some kind of treatment.

Deca and peptides for the win!

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As said above, if it's major see a doc. Otherwise deca will be your friend. But only temporary. Not sure about cruising on deca.

There are some peptides that can help you also.

I do pretty good with GHRP-2 and NPP (shorter acting nandrolone than deca durabolin). Can't stay on it forever though. Any nandrolone will eventually give you sexual side effects.

I cruised on 100mg deca for a while, on top of 250mg test. I think it may have helped my joints a tad but nowhere near where I was on 400mg a week. I did it originally to help my shoulders but they are apparently injured and it didn't help there, my knees/elbows etc. felt amazing though

Originally Posted by Digitalash

run deca and some type of peptides or hgh. cjc-1295 + ghrp 6 OR 2 is a great combo from what I hear. Provides similar results to hgh at a much lower cost, and will help with joint repair probably even more than deca.

If you have serious joint issues to the point it's becoming difficult to lift though, I would definitely see a doctor. Deca/gh will probably work great for just the minor aches and pains of a well used joint, but if there's a real medical issue there you might require some kind of treatment.

actually from what my research and some pep vets tell me, the peps dont do much for the actual joints. they are more for small fibers and tendons repair, but when that happens your joints may feel better because inflamed tendons arent causing pain for the joints. Not 100% on this though.

You might look into trying Mobic. Its not AAS but it is very powerful arthritis drug. Very powerful but really very NOT. Its like taking an aspirin. However, it is like NPP or even better on the joints and you can take it pretty much forever. It feels like my joints are 25 years old when I am now in my 50's. Very few ever have side effects from it as well. You have to get a script from Doc for it but 99% of them will give it to you without a second thought.

Originally Posted by Vibrant

actually from what my research and some pep vets tell me, the peps dont do much for the actual joints. they are more for small fibers and tendons repair, but when that happens your joints may feel better because inflamed tendons arent causing pain for the joints. Not 100% on this though.

Tendons/ligaments and cartilage are essentially made of similar collagen based tissue right? So if collagen production is increased that should also help repair the actual cushioning between joints and things like the labrum/meniscus etc. I would think

Originally Posted by Digitalash

Tendons/ligaments and cartilage are essentially made of similar collagen based tissue right? So if collagen production is increased that should also help repair the actual cushioning between joints and things like the labrum/meniscus etc. I would think

That was what I thought as well, but maybe there are other mechanisms at play...

Originally Posted by Vibrant

That was what I thought as well, but maybe there are other mechanisms at play...

Very possible, I won't pretend to understand all that goes into something like that lol. Either way it seems to help people and keeping your joints in good shape is obviously hella important for anyone that plans to train for a while

In every diet you need to take some Calcium too!

Originally Posted by World-Pharma.org

In every diet you need to take some Calcium too!

Why has no one mentioned Anavar?

Originally Posted by oufinny

Why has no one mentioned Anavar?

equipoise supposedly increases collagen production slightly more than deca but for some reason deca just seems to help people's joints more. For actual repair EQ might be the better choice but it probably won't take away the pain as readily as deca

Anavar helps me but I would like to try some npp with My next cycle

Heres a post from OSL...

Originally Posted by OldSchoolLifter

Joint and Tendon Cycle :
every once in a while its a good idea to run a Joint and Tendon health cycle to help repair the damages you have encountered running higher doses of test, and other compounds.

The Cycle

1-17 Test E 250-300mg/wk
1-16 EQ 500-600mg/wk
1-17 Mod-Grf 100mcg 2 x per day
1-17 GHRP-2 100mcg 2 x per day
1-6 Anavar 50mg/ed
1-17 Aromasin 12.5mg EOD

PCT
19 - Clomid 100mg/ed - 25mg Aromasin ED
20-21 Clomid 75mg/ed - 12.5mg Aromasin ED
22 - Clomid 50mg/ed - 12.5mg Aromasin EOD


You can also add a back end Oral, like Anavar or even a low dose Dbol to the end. I chose EQ over deca for the fact that in order for this to be successful you need your test to be 300mg or less, anything more will cause collagen degeneration. EQ has been shown to increase collagen synthesis up to 320%. If you ran Deca higher than Test like above, you can pose the risk of issues.

Glucosamine also helps

ya thanks fellas im gunna look into that i hav a deca hhok up and i did a drol cycle this last summer and felt great till bout the last month then the pain started comming back in my hands and ive had surgury for carpletunnle back in 97 and just my knee's and hands are hurtin bad when im lifting heavy but my hands even when im wrighting

Any proof of deca and joints?

Steroid.com
"Also, Ive read many places that Deca-Durabolin stores water in connective tissue, thus alleviating joint pain. I have no idea what "storing water in the joints" means. I have no idea how to really quantify that statement, or where it started. However, in one study of postmenapusal women, Deca impoved collagen synthesis (1), and in another study Deca-Durabolin increased bone mineral content. (2)Both of these studies used VERY low doses, which were far too low to promote muscle growth. In my estimation, based on these 2 studies, an athlete attempting to use Deca only for these two effects (increasing bone mineral content and collagen synthesis)"

Good pills from any grocer will help with joints just fine.


5"10
193lbs
BF = around 13% (guess)
600mg Tren E, 325mg Test Cyp week

i know you said gear but good noni juice helps a lot.

All I know is that 150mg of Deca a week makes my joints feel great!! No longer in any pain...

Originally Posted by Hell

All I know is that 150mg of Deca a week makes my joints feel great!! No longer in any pain...

i agree, but can't stay on forever

which makes your joints feel better, Deca or Anavar ?

Decs is supposed to help with joint pain but i didn't see any relief from it.I liked igf-1LR3 for tendon pain so give that a try.Shoot it close to the joint.

ajs.sagepub.com/content/32/4/934.abstract

nandrolone decanoate and Load Increase Remodeling and Strength in Human Supraspinatus Bioartificial Tendons

Ioannis K. Triantafillopoulos, MD*,***8224;,
Albert J. Banes, PhD***8224;,***8225;,§,
Karl F. Bowman, Jr||,
Melissa Maloney, MS¶,
William E. Garrett, Jr, MD, PhD#, and
Spero G. Karas, MD*,***8224;,**

+ Author Affiliations

From *the Shoulder and Elbow Service, University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, North Carolina, ***8224;Department of Orthopaedics, University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, North Carolina, ***8225;Flexcell International Corporation, Hillsborough, North Carolina, the §Department of Biomedical Engineering, the ||School of Medicine, University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, North Carolina, ¶Flexcell International Corporation, Hillsborough, North Carolina, and the #Department of Orthopaedics, Duke University, Durham, North Carolina

Address correspondence to Spero G. Karas, MD, Chief, Shoulder and Elbow Service, University of North Carolina, Department of Orthopaedics, CB#7055, Chapel Hill, NC 27599-7055 (e-mail: Spero_Karas@med.unc.edu).


Abstract

Background: To date, no studies document the effect of anabolic steroids on rotator cuff tendons.

Study Design: Controlled laboratory study.

Hypothesis: Anabolic steroids enhance remodeling and improve the biomechanical properties of bioartificially engineered human supraspinatus tendons.

Methods: Bioartificial tendons were treated with either nandrolone decanoate (nonload, steroid, n = 18), loading (load, nonsteroid, n = 18), or both (load, steroid, n = 18). A control group received no treatment (nonload, nonsteroid [NLNS], n = 18). Bioartificial tendons***8217; remodeling was assessed by daily scanning, cytoskeletal organization by staining, matrix metalloproteinase***8211;3 levels by ELISA assay, and biomechanical properties by load-to-failure testing.

Results: The load, steroid group showed the greatest remodeling and the best organized actin cytoskeleton. Matrix metallo-proteinase***8211;3 levels in the load, steroid group were greater than those of the nonload, nonsteroid group (P < .05). Ultimate stress and ultimate strain in the load, steroid group were greater than those of the nonload, nonsteroid and nonload, steroid groups (P < .05). The strain energy density in the load, steroid group was greater when compared to other groups (P < .05).

Conclusions: nandrolone decanoate and load acted synergistically to increase matrix remodeling and biomechanical properties of bioartificial tendons.

Clinical Relevance: Data suggest anabolic steroids may enhance production of bioartificial tendons and rotator cuff tendon healing in vitro. More research is necessary before such clinical use is recommended.