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    what was Arnold Schwarzenegger's AI for PCT back in the day?

    I'm not sure armidex, nolvadex, or clomid existed in the 60's or 70's, so what was a bodybuilder's AI for PCT back in the day? I re-searched that gynecomastia is common among bodybuilders (steroid users), so what did the old school bodybuilders use to reverse this?

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    Who realy knows.I dont think anyone realy knows what there cycles where like then.

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    they didnt

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    There was no PCT back then. They just went off and grinned and bore it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glycomann View Post
    There was no PCT back then. They just went off and grinned and bore it.
    Yea, I actually read this somewhere...
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    Clomid's been around for a while, but for the most part they just tapered off and dealt with it I guess. As far as gyno I think they had some knowledge of using clomid though I don't believe nolva and aromasin were around? Arimidex possibly, but clomid was used for pct fairly long ago though I'm not sure how common it was?
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    I think most of them had the gyno cut out.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Vibrant View Post
    I think most of them had the gyno cut out.
    this is true

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    ^a real mans pct

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    I dont know what arnold used but way back when I did my first cycle about 30 years ago the guru I knew at the time reccomended to me.....
    After a full run with test cypionate normally 12 weeks then take HCG 1000 iu's eod till gone (had the old push stopper tops 10,000 iu's) then 4 weeks of nolvadex at 20mgs per day.
    We knew nothing back then of arimadex on cycle and if gyno symptoms did occur it was nolvadex or nothing.
    Hadnt even heard of clomid.

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    ^ That actually doesn't sound half bad

    Hcg and nolva is a pretty solid pct really, not having an AI on cycle isn't ideal but at least with some nolva you don't really have to worry about gyno which is the big one in my opinion. I don't believe nolva will reduce bloat or other estrogenic sides like acne but I think it's possible? Anyone want to chime in here, I've heard that nolva will not reduce water retention but I'd imagine that bloating is related to an estrogen receptor somewhere? If you're blocking all estrogen receptors with the tamox shouldn't that have roughly the same effect as actually reducing estrogen, not just in breast tissue but whatever receptor causes you to retain water?
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    Nolvadex was not even around till the 1980's, so Arnold clearly never used it.

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    supposedely Arnold ran proviron along with dbol but who really knows? The proviron would help with the sides though if true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ironman2001 View Post
    supposedely Arnold ran proviron along with dbol but who really knows? The proviron would help with the sides though if true.
    Proviron (Mesterolone ) was not avabile in Arnolds day so he clearly did not use it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeForemanRules View Post
    Proviron (Mesterolone ) was not avabile in Arnolds day so he clearly did not use it.
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    Honestly guys, just google the drug names and you can answer your own questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heavyiron View Post
    Drunk again ^^^
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    I read somewhere that Arnold pretty much popped dbol like mints and never really came off it, don't know how true this is though.



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    I always wondered how they got so dry for comp.

    Amphetamines?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SFW View Post
    I always wondered how they got so dry for comp.

    Amphetamines?
    I read they used primo and wasn't winny around or halo??

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    not even sure these were around since there was probably no such thing or not often heard of such thing as "breast cancer" or "chemotherapy" back in Arnold's days. Like HIV was not even around in the 60's and 70's but got mainsteam in the 80's.

    Is gynecomastia reversible then meaning if you get it you can reverse it without surgery, just pills?

    Last I checked aromasin is steroidal, so I don't think it will help with gynecomastic since you need something non-steroidal and reversible (armidex, clomid, nolva).

    Quote Originally Posted by Digitalash View Post
    Clomid's been around for a while, but for the most part they just tapered off and dealt with it I guess. As far as gyno I think they had some knowledge of using clomid though I don't believe nolva and aromasin were around? Arimidex possibly, but clomid was used for pct fairly long ago though I'm not sure how common it was?

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    not coming off it would kill the liver, wouldn't you think? Arnold did have puffy nipples so did Ferigno.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vibrant View Post
    I read somewhere that Arnold pretty much popped dbol like mints and never really came off it, don't know how true this is though.

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    do you only take AI when symptoms occur? I always thought it was mandatory to take after a cycle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Roaddkingg View Post
    I dont know what arnold used but way back when I did my first cycle about 30 years ago the guru I knew at the time reccomended to me.....
    After a full run with test cypionate normally 12 weeks then take HCG 1000 iu's eod till gone (had the old push stopper tops 10,000 iu's) then 4 weeks of nolvadex at 20mgs per day.
    We knew nothing back then of arimadex on cycle and if gyno symptoms did occur it was nolvadex or nothing.
    Hadnt even heard of clomid.

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    where are the scars?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vibrant View Post
    I think most of them had the gyno cut out.

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    where are the scars?
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