Thread: Question for some of you........

Originally Posted by XYZ

Why do some guys make things more complicated than need be?

An example is: "Hey bro, I'm going to do the following what do you think......".

1-4 - 100mg Drol
1-4 - 100mg Test Prop
1-4 - 100mg Tren Ace
5-6 - 1g Test C
5-6 - 700mg Deca
7-12 - 100mg winstrol

When I tell them it's overkill, they don't like the answer and wait in the thread for someone.....anyone to agree and justify what they are planning on doing.

The point being why waste time in seeking approval? DO WHAT EVER YOU WANT, but a test base and maybe one other compound is enough.

I'm no expert and there are guys much more knowledgeable than me to give advice but I've done my share of stuff and if I can help one person not make a mistake that I did, cool.

Honestly, I bet 98% of guys who ask questions do NOT take advice from the mods or other well respected members. They are going to do what they want no matter what........and then come back and post a buch of e-crap about how "awesome" their cycle was.

DIET controls everything, without it these compounds do not work to their full capacity.

Think, be safe and for God's sake...........L-I-S-T-E-N to people who have been there before.

I always appreciate your conservative, safe approach. In fact, I'm trying to adopt this method myself. I'm sticking to prop and one other compound for 10 weeks only.
I also hired a diet guy. I train hard, run aas correctly but can't seem to get to my goal bf %, and I know it's because of my diet. Interesting thing is that I have taught nutrition classes and I'm an exercise physiologist, but can't seem to get my diet right. Hopefully it helps to have someone telling me what to eat and when.

Imho, I see some very intense cycles being run here by some guys with very mediocre results. I would bet if they just ran test with an oral the end result would have been the same.

Originally Posted by XYZ

Why do some guys make things more complicated than need be?

An example is: "Hey bro, I'm going to do the following what do you think......".

1-4 - 100mg Drol
1-4 - 100mg Test Prop
1-4 - 100mg Tren Ace
5-6 - 1g Test C
5-6 - 700mg Deca
7-12 - 100mg winstrol

When I tell them it's overkill, they don't like the answer and wait in the thread for someone.....anyone to agree and justify what they are planning on doing.

The point being why waste time in seeking approval? DO WHAT EVER YOU WANT, but a test base and maybe one other compound is enough.

I'm no expert and there are guys much more knowledgeable than me to give advice but I've done my share of stuff and if I can help one person not make a mistake that I did, cool.

Honestly, I bet 98% of guys who ask questions do NOT take advice from the mods or other well respected members. They are going to do what they want no matter what........and then come back and post a buch of e-crap about how "awesome" their cycle was.

DIET controls everything, without it these compounds do not work to their full capacity.

Think, be safe and for God's sake...........L-I-S-T-E-N to people who have been there before.

Holy shit great post!!!! I must admit that i was one of those guys at one point and still find myself getting that way at times, but I DO LISTEN now and take everything into account...

It just depends on who's giving the advice. If its GMO or heavy I will definitely listen to them. But I'm with you, I think conservative pays dividends.

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That cycle doesn't even make sense :\. 2 weeks of long esters is useless. Oh wait, that's the point of this thread

Great post.

A lot of newbies come in here pretty much say this is my cycle, what do you guys think? When someone says something they don't want to hear, they either ignore the good advice given or they even sometimes talk back and say you dont know shit.

The guys I respect the most are the ones that if they ask for advice and they get it, they actually consider it and follow it.

Originally Posted by XYZ

Why do some guys make things more complicated than need be?

An example is: "Hey bro, I'm going to do the following what do you think......".

1-4 - 100mg Drol
1-4 - 100mg Test Prop
1-4 - 100mg Tren Ace
5-6 - 1g Test C
5-6 - 700mg Deca
7-12 - 100mg winstrol

When I tell them it's overkill, they don't like the answer and wait in the thread for someone.....anyone to agree and justify what they are planning on doing.

The point being why waste time in seeking approval? DO WHAT EVER YOU WANT, but a test base and maybe one other compound is enough.

I'm no expert and there are guys much more knowledgeable than me to give advice but I've done my share of stuff and if I can help one person not make a mistake that I did, cool.

Honestly, I bet 98% of guys who ask questions do NOT take advice from the mods or other well respected members. They are going to do what they want no matter what........and then come back and post a buch of e-crap about how "awesome" their cycle was.

DIET controls everything, without it these compounds do not work to their full capacity.

Think, be safe and for God's sake...........L-I-S-T-E-N to people who have been there before.

Not to be redundant, but GREAT POST! By the way, I think you qualify as an expert. There are a handful of guys around here with a lot of good suggestions, and you are one of the people with experience and it shows in your comments.

I feel bad for the guys who run grams of gear, and look like complete shit. They rely completely on the drugs.

I've seen plenty of excessively long and high oral use. As well as stacking orals with orals ... Pointless really

A" Hey man I wanna run dbol only"
B"no don't do that"
A"you're stupid dbol is great alone"

The oral only posts are my favorite or anything by BUCKY

Originally Posted by pieguy

That cycle doesn't even make sense :\. 2 weeks of long esters is useless. Oh wait, that's the point of this thread

Not only that, it will take 5 weeks or more for test c to kick in. The prop will be gone by then.

Originally Posted by Evil Eagle

It just depends on who's giving the advice. If its GMO or heavy I will definitely listen to them. But I'm with you, I think conservative pays dividends.

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Exactly, you can't go wrong with either of them.

I presume you might have been thinking about ME when you made this post, because you posted in my thread that was just like the one you're talking about.

I can't speak for anyone but myself, but sometimes individuals are just trying to reap benefits from certain compounds that they might not obtain from others. For instance, your not gonna repair connective tissue with Tren like you might with NPP. You're not gonna gain 12lbs of lean mass in your 1st 3 weeks with Test C like you will with SD. But you may have read that many impressive reports from other bro's who ran Test, NPP and Tren together, plus you want certain immediate stength and mass gains for whatever reason, so you're looking for informed feedback from bro's who may have actually done this sort of thing.

There are bro's like you who may prefer simple, proven cycles. There are other bro's who have run cycles with more than 1 or 2 compounds for various reasons. I've been around a lotta years and I've seen so many different perspectives that it's impossible to know any of this for certain. That's the reason we throw stuff like this out there to discuss it. Or sometimes we're just bored and wanna chat about ideas or concerns. None of this is an exact science, but we enjoy reading informed reasoning from experienced bro's. Yes, some of us are complete morons who have no intention of abiding by any helpful advice. But some of us really do just want to start a healthy discussion about real concerns and ideas, and will take the advice that is meaningful. Had I taken the 95% of advice that said "never run 2 19-nor's stacked," I never would have had such a great experience running NPP and Tren Ace with my Test. So there, I didn't take that advice, but instead took the less prevailing advice. Today, most of the advice in my thread says to drop or reduce my orals from my proposed cycle, which advice I will for sure take.

I see where you're coming from bro. Sometimes there's really more to it though.

i totally agree man, there have been a lot of people posting some crazy things lately...


and to above; as i said in your thread the injectables i can understand; but seriously man you need to consider some of the stuff people say, some of this shit can cause you major health problems..

The main point we are all trying to get across is you don't need all that shit! I have ran 3 cycles, Dbol & Test, Test & Tren, and Test & Tren and I guarantee that I am bigger and leaner than the majority of people on this board. Here.. i attached pics of me after only 2 of my "simple" cycles, you be the judge...

Nice make up!

Originally Posted by SloppyJ

Nice make up!

i like to look nice bro

op, great post.. rc, nice results

This wasn't directed towards ayone in particular, so anyone getting their panties in a bunch about me singling you out relax, that's not the case.

It's just to make the point that if you use 1-2 compounds and have the right diet plan, results will come, it's just a matter of time and patience. Too many people give up too quick.

Just remember Rome wasn't built in a day or even a week, this takes time. Do it right and safe and you'll see results. Running 6-7 different compounds every 2-3 weeks is overkill, unless you're getting ready for a show or something.

Originally Posted by rc771

i totally agree man, there have been a lot of people posting some crazy things lately...


and to above; as i said in your thread the injectables i can understand; but seriously man you need to consider some of the stuff people say, some of this shit can cause you major health problems..

The main point we are all trying to get across is you don't need all that shit! I have ran 3 cycles, Dbol & Test, Test & Tren, and Test & Tren and I guarantee that I am bigger and leaner than the majority of people on this board. Here.. i attached pics of me after only 2 of my "simple" cycles, you be the judge...

well done bro!

Originally Posted by rc771

i totally agree man, there have been a lot of people posting some crazy things lately...


and to above; as i said in your thread the injectables i can understand; but seriously man you need to consider some of the stuff people say, some of this shit can cause you major health problems..

The main point we are all trying to get across is you don't need all that shit! I have ran 3 cycles, Dbol & Test, Test & Tren, and Test & Tren and I guarantee that I am bigger and leaner than the majority of people on this board. Here.. i attached pics of me after only 2 of my "simple" cycles, you be the judge...

^beast mode.


This guy is a testament to the fact that simple cycles, solid diet and a good workout can do wonders.

Not knocking the man but obviously great genetics as well without a doubt.

^^Exactly!!! NO ONE and I mean NO ONE will look like that after only 2 cycles unless they were already close to that look and GIFTED GENETICS. Im sure some will argue with me but this is only my personal expierences and real life observations. I have seen MANY bros take their first cycle and so on, and I would say only a quarter of them look like RC771 after and that is with 100% perfect diet and everything else ON POINT!! I am in no way hating on you RC, and man you have great genetics and only if I had half those genetics I would be a pro by now LOL. Keep it up brotha and shit let me know when your on your 4th and 5th cycle LOL, you should deff have your pro card by then. One more thing, noobs don't look at RC771 and think you can do one or two *BASIC* cycles and look like that, and don't get disscouraged when you don't because not everyone has those type of genetics. It's even possible if your gentics are really bad that you will never achieve the goals you have in mind unless your willing to take massive amounts of AAS, Slin, GH, and so on.

Originally Posted by dav1dg90

^^Exactly!!! NO ONE and I mean NO ONE will look like that after only 2 cycles unless they were already close to that look and GIFTED GENETICS. Im sure some will argue with me but this is only my personal expierences and real life observations. I have seen MANY bros take their first cycle and so on, and I would say only a quarter of them look like RC771 after and that is with 100% perfect diet and everything else ON POINT!! I am in no way hating on you RC, and man you have great genetics and only if I had half those genetics I would be a pro by now LOL. Keep it up brotha and shit let me know when your on your 4th and 5th cycle LOL, you should deff have your pro card by then. One more thing, noobs don't look at RC771 and think you can do one or two *BASIC* cycles and look like that, and don't get disscouraged when you don't because not everyone has those type of genetics. It's even possible if your gentics are really bad that you will never achieve the goals you have in mind unless your willing to take massive amounts of AAS, Slin, GH, and so on.

I don't know about that.

What if he trained natty for 5-6 years eating well, training hard on a consistent basis? Then he decided to hit the AAS?

I agree genetics play a role but I'm betting he had a solid base to start from and then went from there.

He looks great, I won't deny that and I'm sure he has busted his a$$ for everything he has.

sad but true genetics plays a huge role, lucky for me my dad has 18" arms and he never worked out.I am not bashing anyone by no means,but I hate to see people in there 20's doing several cycles a year.The more muscle you can build naturally the better you will look on cycle.

Originally Posted by XYZ

I don't know about that.

What if he trained natty for 5-6 years eating well, training hard on a consistent basis? Then he decided to hit the AAS?

I agree genetics play a role but I'm betting he had a solid base to start from and then went from there.

He looks great, I won't deny that and I'm sure he has busted his a$$ for everything he has.

Thats EXACTLY what I was saying XYZ. I said he either looked pretty close to that before his cycles due to previous years of natty training and diet or gifted genetics. Again I am not hating but only stating the obvious and not letting noobs think they can do 1 or 2 basic Test cycles and ever look like that.

Originally Posted by dav1dg90

Thats EXACTLY what I was saying XYZ. I said he either looked pretty close to that before his cycles due to previous years of natty training and diet or gifted genetics. Again I am not hating but only stating the obvious and not letting noobs think they can do 1 or 2 basic Test cycles and ever look like that.

Same here. I do very well on low dose test base and one oral. my body rebels when i try to up the dose too much. but thats just me, my buddy can double up what i consume and he's just fine, go figure.

Originally Posted by ljeremy23

Same here. I do very well on low dose test base and one oral. my body rebels when i try to up the dose too much. but thats just me, my buddy can double up what i consume and he's just fine, go figure.

Yep just goes to show EVERYONE reacts differently to each compound and dose.

Originally Posted by dav1dg90

Thats EXACTLY what I was saying XYZ. I said he either looked pretty close to that before his cycles due to previous years of natty training and diet or gifted genetics. Again I am not hating but only stating the obvious and not letting noobs think they can do 1 or 2 basic Test cycles and ever look like that.

I never thought you were hating, I think I overlooked a part of your post, my bad.