Thread: Read this and let me know if I'm crazy

^^^^that wasn't a rant. It was a semi-organized article explaining your frustration WITHOUT the addition of foul language, twisted shit, etc.
But good read, none the less

Touché lol

^^^^so how's your memory lately, friend?
LOL

Its cuz most gear sold out there is under dosed or fake now a days so peoples can make that quick dollar...

So it then comes down to diet or what you eat...lol...

^somebody is picking up what I'm laying down.

Originally Posted by Noheawaiian

^^^^so how's your memory lately, friend?
LOL

As good as its always been......

Good post bigbenj, I totally agree with you. You can be on legit gear, not work out (that much), and still blow up.

For sure

one word: homebrew

I def think as long as the gear is legit and you eat ok and work your ass off in the gym you should def look like your "on"...this diet shit is for the birds...

PS...you are crazy dog...lol...

I agree bro. My first cycle was 250mg sus a week and 200mg deca. I never heard of an internet forum only muscular development and some old juicers to guide me. I ate like a pig and went from 165 to like 190 in 10 weeks. No ai just nolva. I think i had like 15 pills lol!! Just in case. I woulf kill to get my hands on that stuff now. So ya the diet thing is bullshit. If you run any gear and dont see any results at all its bunk period
Congrats Bigben that was a surprise for your normal rambling

yeah diet is definitely bullshit

Originally Posted by bigbenj

As good as its always been......

Uh oh

yup fuckin yup.i remember my first cycle.i had no clue about diet .my stack was simple as fuck test n some deca ha ha 100mg/week so we all know it just help with joints .
any ways i lifted like maniack one day rest if ..im looking on those old picture n i was swole mother fucker.bunk is bunk .lately i had some from biogen fuck i was pissed good thing 10cc was under $30

Originally Posted by rc771

yeah diet is definitely bullshit

If that's all you got from this thread then you definitely took it out of context and/or read what you wanted to read.

I've seen my best results thus far from cleaning up diet and cardio, but that isn't all this is about.

^^ i was just referring to the post above..

obviously the gear has something to do with it.

My dad said that when he took dbol and test the first time he had the original dianabol that was from the only pharmaceutical company that made it and he said it felt 10x stronger than the stuff you can get now..

My bad.

Sounds like your dad had the real deal, good shit. Too many bunk/underdosed gears floating around these days.

Too bad they can't approve all gear for human consumption. Then we could get properly dosed stuff all the time. Human grade tren and dbol would be awesome!

yeah it sucks cause we never know what we are getting...

human grade tren...

RC771.is methanabol pharmaceutical name for d-boll? if it is try polish methanabol its made by legit polish pharmaceutical company polfa-jelfa.you see don't call me ignorant cuz i just don't care for orals no more.first time i ever used was a last time couldn't go further then 4 weeks of 6 .i found out what liver pain is.n yes i used liver shields

I tend to agree with most of this.....I'm 39 years old and grew up in a family full of body building uncles....all on gear....and all swole as fuck. Their typical protocol was 300 mg test and 200 mg deca per week, and throw in light doses of winstrol or d-bol occasionally.

They're all in their 50's now and shake their heads at the dosages that I am taking....with much smaller gains than they ever achieved.....and my diet is dialed in.

Originally Posted by rc771

human grade tren...

No such thing as legitimate HG trenbolone...

first time i took test and dbols i put 15 lbs on in three weeks. human grade stuff, i dont trust ugl shit, seems under dosed. friend of mine been on for about 6 weeks and has only put on 5 lbs thus far. not sure how much he is taking.

While yes it is true AAS are a big part of things it is not true what you said about diet. Diet is much more important than gear. If you don't eat or Train you are not going to blow up. This is what people who have never used Steroids like to think. They will see a big guy and go oh he is on steroids. Like steroids are a magic drug. Look at people you know how many guys have done steroids for years and look like they never took anything or very little. THen you have guys who ran a cycle or two and look like they have cycled for years. Diet and training are most important the drugs are just added on top of that. Thinking you can just take steroids and get big is fucking bullshit. If that was the case everyone that takes steroids would look like a pro bodybuilder. I understand what you are saying benj some of the gear nowadays is bunk but to say diet is not very important is just not true. Everyone nowadays wants to get big with no work. Well it doesn't work that way. Most of these guys using AAS are not even close to being fully ready. They have a high BF% to begin with, underknowledged, not well trained, eat like shit, have not put their time in the gym. These guys are not ready for AAS and many will have bad results. Some may get lucky and still gain but they will not hold onto it because diet and solid training are the key. WIthout that they will lose their gains post cycle and be in the same place they were before their cycle. That is why guys spin their wheels for years. POOR DIET AND TRAINING will prevent gains not the gear. If you train right and eat well you will gain whether on gear or not until your reach your max then gear is needed to go further but if the diet and training are not there then you will go nowhere. This is why diet and training mean more than gear.

I can eat like a horse with zero steroids and gain 20lbs in 10 weeks. When I was younger putting on 20lbs was as simple as adding an extra shake and a big ass meal to my days eating. Anybody can gain shit weight. Its the quality weight that's hard to gain and that's where diet means everything.

Also, I can take AAS straight from a US pharmacy and lose 20-30lbs in 2-3 months. Why? Its the diet....

Gaining or losing weight is not the determining factor of real steroids or even success. Its the mirror that matters.

I'm sure guys are getting fake steroids but I'm also sure more guys are not eating or training like they should. Just look at the majority of the guys at your gym. It's pathetic watching them lean up against the machines trying to pick up chicks or doing half assed sets.

I would agree with TGB.I am an old timer been in bodybuilding longer than most of you have been alive. And yes I tried the origional pharma stuff. My first 2 cycles I gained NO size. Alot of strength and ripped to shred but NO size.I asked my og mentors and their reply was simply that I did not eat even near enough. Now it doesn't have to be perfect but you have to eat enough. What the hell is your body supposed to make all this muscle from if it doesn't have the raw materials ?! And training! Most guys don't even train with near enough intensity. Lots of sets and talking though. Most people in the gyms never really look much different over the years if you watch. And form- it's pathetic! I mean you do have to work the targeted muscle hard enough to grow ! It's the day we live in , we want it now and with as little hard work and sacrifice as possible. Doc give me the magic pill and when I don't put on 15lbs of lean muscle in 8 weeks it must have been the pill.

Originally Posted by heavyiron

I can eat like a horse with zero steroids and gain 20lbs in 10 weeks. When I was younger putting on 20lbs was as simple as adding an extra shake and a big ass meal to my days eating. Anybody can gain shit weight. Its the quality weight that's hard to gain and that's where diet means everything.

Also, I can take AAS straight from a US pharmacy and lose 20-30lbs in 2-3 months. Why? Its the diet....

Gaining or losing weight is not the determining factor of real steroids or even success. Its the mirror that matters.

I'm sure guys are getting fake steroids but I'm also sure more guys are not eating or training like they should. Just look at the majority of the guys at your gym. It's pathetic watching them lean up against the machines trying to pick up chicks or doing half assed sets.

Amen Brother !!!! And with the phones in the gym. If you can't even be without your I phone for an hour to train- Well ...

I'm going to respectfully disagree with the guys who claim diet does not matter. Especially in the case of getting your body fat % in the single digits. You can be strong as fuck, but if you don't tailor your diet to burn off the excess fat, nobody will know you're strong at all. What's the point?

Additionally, if you're eating 50 grams of protein/day, your gains are going to be significantly less than if you're eating 300 grams/day.

I have done 2 cycles, I train hard and consistently, but my diet hasn't been in check, so I've remained at 15-17% bf the entire time. I got stronger, but I don't look any better.

Originally Posted by exphysiologist88

I'm going to respectfully disagree with the guys who claim diet does not matter. Especially in the case of getting your body fat % in the single digits. You can be strong as fuck, but if you don't tailor your diet to burn off the excess fat, nobody will know you're strong at all. What's the point?

Additionally, if you're eating 50 grams of protein/day, your gains are going to be significantly less than if you're eating 300 grams/day.

I have done 2 cycles, I train hard and consistently, but my diet hasn't been in check, so I've remained at 15-17% bf the entire time. I got stronger, but I don't look any better.

I think they are talking about people who buy gear and get zero gains period. Bf% is all about diet, 500mg of test should make you stronger and bigger period.

Originally Posted by hoyle21

I think they are talking about people who buy gear and get zero gains period. Bf% is all about diet, 500mg of test should make you stronger and bigger period.

correct, but there is a difference in someone who eats 300 grams of protein vs someone who eats 50 grams.