No fuqqin' wonder

cornfed · 02-14-2003, 11:52 AM

NO FUQQING WONDER!!!!

I was wondering why my size gains had been so steady lately... maybe I'm retaining a lil water, but not much

as for the reason... well, the last time I had blood tests for hormone levels, completely unaltered levels, my test was ~650 ... I got back my results from my most recent 1 and it was 1138!!!
That could explain some of the gains... I don't know how the fuqq it happenned, but I can't/won't complain. Same test time (time of day, 8-8:30am), just that the last 1 was 9mo ago. DAMN!!!

Sorry, I'm just a 'lil giddy bout the news

I had been off of clomid for a while, so I'm comfortable w/ those levels being true.

I can't imagine where it was @ during my 48day clomid run

MJ23 · 02-14-2003, 12:05 PM

Very nice, YOu luck f$$#$%$&#&^ BASTARD..

I am not jealous

but what the hell were you doing with a 48day Marathon with Clomid.... testicles quit working

cornfed · 02-14-2003, 12:11 PM

Nope... just had a theory on a quasi-bridging technique. I haven't had issues w/ the clomid blues... or I was already so fucked up from a 4yr relationship ending horribly that I didn't notice the difference

...

... damn good idea lookin' back

.

I'm guessing that by running clomid for so long that my body found a new point for homeostasis or whatever you wanna call it. only downside is that the ammount of test I have has apparently caused some aromatose or something... no gyno or water retention, just that my estradiols were a bit higher than normal.

... now I just have to see if I can bribe a doc into a script for an anti-E

...

My life has taken a turn for the better LOL

MJ23 · 02-14-2003, 12:52 PM

Hey, send me a PM sometime when you get a chance on that theory, I have heard similar accounts on people staying on clomid for a while.

What do you think you can bribe your doctor into .. some novaldex

And I am sorry , I joke around, but I really never knew the details
of that past relationshiop. Truly sorry

Your punk Ass really thought I was going to send a nice message and stop. I dont want you to think it was someone else, so FUQ U

Send the AS to my mailing address, and I will send you a new girlfriend.. YOu will just need to buy a needle to inflate her..and Please check the expiration date this time

**Prince** · 02-14-2003, 01:08 PM

Unless you're 18 years old, or you're taking something, I do not understand how your T levels could be 1138.

cornfed · 02-14-2003, 01:09 PM

Fuqnut, I don't care... Yeah, well I can't explain it further than that... raises natural production of test, keeping your levels elavated longer than the cycle length thereby allowing more gains w/o consequence. and apparently having a prolonged effect on the endocrine system.
next time must add var or primo though

3-400primo, 40mg var, 50mg clomid for 12wks, then start into another cycle

Life would be good w/ more money

and If you added 4-8iu's hgh

damn, I'd fuqqing go year-round bridging like that...

400primo, 40var, 50 clomid, 4iu's gh year-round... and just add 750enan/or 500prop w/ some susp, maybe some EQ every other 12 wks...

just need the cash lol

...for that and all the damn protein I'd need

cornfed · 02-14-2003, 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Prince
Unless you're 18 years old, or you're taking something, I do not understand how your T levels could be 1138.

me either. I'm early/mid 20s, but still.

... I'm sayin' that the long-term clomid has probably effected the equilibrium for my brain/testicular axis in a very positive way... but that's just my theory

I'm not on a damned thing and haven't been for a month

MJ23 · 02-14-2003, 01:14 PM

YOu are not lying dude....better get a part time for that one..

Thats why I stick with my 8 weeks and then take a long break..

cornfed · 02-14-2003, 01:14 PM

Oh, and for the actual #s...

testosterone: 1138ng
estradiols: 60ng (normal is - than 57ng)
prog: .89ng
prolactin: 3.1ng

Got the results yesterday afternoon.

MJ23 · 02-14-2003, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by cornfed
Fuqnut, I don't care... Yeah, well I can't explain it further than that... raises natural production of test, keeping your levels elavated longer than the cycle length thereby allowing more gains w/o consequence. and apparently having a prolonged effect on the endocrine system.

WTF.. spare me a lecture on Clomid, or save it for a NEWBIE.

Here is my input

Clomid is a medication that promotes the production of the body's own stimulating hormone, gonadotropin, which in turn increases the testosterone level. I think the hormone used is LH, and something else.
Clomid does act as a anti-estrogen, but its so much weaker than nolvadex or proviron, that I can understand why you are looking for such an agent

Oh yeah, I am sure you know it stimulates Ovulation, but that might just be one of your goals...

crackerjack414 · 02-14-2003, 09:52 PM

I wanna hear about this theory depending on what compounds u came off of Iam thinking of u used hcg during or wernt suppresed u should be fine. Also this may be irrelvent to the arguement but u know some AAS increase the amount of red blood cells and they do have a 3 month life. If have used anything thats hard on the hpta like deca I will be very very suprised

**Mudge** · 02-15-2003, 02:20 PM

Something interesting I heard, was that if an under 18 year old took supplemental test, thier permanent test levels would always be higher through their life due to the body accepting that T level as thier baseline.

crackerjack414 · 02-16-2003, 02:32 AM

hmmm mudge I was 19 when I started ill let u know in a few years

**Mudge** · 02-16-2003, 02:41 AM

I know a guy that started when he was 18, but thats a "little late" possibly, and this particular guy is not coming off any time soon either. Sounds kind of hokey to me, but it also sounds like it could be true/possible.

cornfed · 02-17-2003, 05:07 PM

I came offa' prop, cyp and halo. very light cycle... just missed the pins more than anything

I wish I woulda' started HCG/primo/var @ 15. That woulda' been nice LOL

02-14-2003, 11:52 AM	#1
cornfed Sweet 'lil Innocent Mod Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: serenity now insanity later Posts: 1,802	No fuqqin' wonder NO FUQQING WONDER!!!! I was wondering why my size gains had been so steady lately... maybe I'm retaining a lil water, but not much as for the reason... well, the last time I had blood tests for hormone levels, completely unaltered levels, my test was ~650 ... I got back my results from my most recent 1 and it was 1138!!! That could explain some of the gains... I don't know how the fuqq it happenned, but I can't/won't complain. Same test time (time of day, 8-8:30am), just that the last 1 was 9mo ago. DAMN!!! Sorry, I'm just a 'lil giddy bout the news I had been off of clomid for a while, so I'm comfortable w/ those levels being true. I can't imagine where it was @ during my 48day clomid run
	- "If I ever run into Dave Grohl, I'm gonna kick his fuqqin' ass... because he sucks and he wrote this cheese-dick song for Ozzy that I have to fuqqin' play on and I'll never forgive him for that. Foo Fighters is a fuqqin' candy-ass girl band but you've got that mother-fuqqer submitting songs [for the album], and those douchebags from the Offspring, too." "...Dave Grohl? Fuq Dave Grohl! ...you're getting this guy to write songs for Ozzy? Just because he played drums for fuqqing Sh!tvana?" --- Zakk Wylde --- ---Dimebag Darrel RIP---

02-14-2003, 12:05 PM	#2
MJ23 World's Greatest Lovea Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Pimpville Posts: 2,125	Very nice, YOu luck f$$#$%$&#&^ BASTARD.. I am not jealous but what the hell were you doing with a 48day Marathon with Clomid.... testicles quit working
	"It is hard to believe a man is telling the truth, when you know you would lie if you were in his shoes."

02-14-2003, 12:11 PM	#3
cornfed Sweet 'lil Innocent Mod Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: serenity now insanity later Posts: 1,802	Nope... just had a theory on a quasi-bridging technique. I haven't had issues w/ the clomid blues... or I was already so fucked up from a 4yr relationship ending horribly that I didn't notice the difference ... ... damn good idea lookin' back . I'm guessing that by running clomid for so long that my body found a new point for homeostasis or whatever you wanna call it. only downside is that the ammount of test I have has apparently caused some aromatose or something... no gyno or water retention, just that my estradiols were a bit higher than normal. ... now I just have to see if I can bribe a doc into a script for an anti-E ... My life has taken a turn for the better LOL
	- "If I ever run into Dave Grohl, I'm gonna kick his fuqqin' ass... because he sucks and he wrote this cheese-dick song for Ozzy that I have to fuqqin' play on and I'll never forgive him for that. Foo Fighters is a fuqqin' candy-ass girl band but you've got that mother-fuqqer submitting songs [for the album], and those douchebags from the Offspring, too." "...Dave Grohl? Fuq Dave Grohl! ...you're getting this guy to write songs for Ozzy? Just because he played drums for fuqqing Sh!tvana?" --- Zakk Wylde --- ---Dimebag Darrel RIP---

02-14-2003, 12:52 PM	#4
MJ23 World's Greatest Lovea Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Pimpville Posts: 2,125	Hey, send me a PM sometime when you get a chance on that theory, I have heard similar accounts on people staying on clomid for a while. What do you think you can bribe your doctor into .. some novaldex And I am sorry , I joke around, but I really never knew the details of that past relationshiop. Truly sorry Your punk Ass really thought I was going to send a nice message and stop. I dont want you to think it was someone else, so FUQ U Send the AS to my mailing address, and I will send you a new girlfriend.. YOu will just need to buy a needle to inflate her..and Please check the expiration date this time
	"It is hard to believe a man is telling the truth, when you know you would lie if you were in his shoes."

02-14-2003, 01:08 PM	#5
Prince the one & only Administrator Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Colorado Posts: 33,928 Blog Entries: 25 Photos: 320	Unless you're 18 years old, or you're taking something, I do not understand how your T levels could be 1138.
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02-14-2003, 01:09 PM	#6
cornfed Sweet 'lil Innocent Mod Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: serenity now insanity later Posts: 1,802	Fuqnut, I don't care... Yeah, well I can't explain it further than that... raises natural production of test, keeping your levels elavated longer than the cycle length thereby allowing more gains w/o consequence. and apparently having a prolonged effect on the endocrine system. next time must add var or primo though 3-400primo, 40mg var, 50mg clomid for 12wks, then start into another cycle Life would be good w/ more money and If you added 4-8iu's hgh damn, I'd fuqqing go year-round bridging like that... 400primo, 40var, 50 clomid, 4iu's gh year-round... and just add 750enan/or 500prop w/ some susp, maybe some EQ every other 12 wks... just need the cash lol ...for that and all the damn protein I'd need
	- "If I ever run into Dave Grohl, I'm gonna kick his fuqqin' ass... because he sucks and he wrote this cheese-dick song for Ozzy that I have to fuqqin' play on and I'll never forgive him for that. Foo Fighters is a fuqqin' candy-ass girl band but you've got that mother-fuqqer submitting songs [for the album], and those douchebags from the Offspring, too." "...Dave Grohl? Fuq Dave Grohl! ...you're getting this guy to write songs for Ozzy? Just because he played drums for fuqqing Sh!tvana?" --- Zakk Wylde --- ---Dimebag Darrel RIP---

02-14-2003, 01:14 PM	#8
MJ23 World's Greatest Lovea Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Pimpville Posts: 2,125	YOu are not lying dude....better get a part time for that one.. Thats why I stick with my 8 weeks and then take a long break..
	"It is hard to believe a man is telling the truth, when you know you would lie if you were in his shoes."

02-14-2003, 09:52 PM	#11
crackerjack414 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: cali Posts: 644	I wanna hear about this theory depending on what compounds u came off of Iam thinking of u used hcg during or wernt suppresed u should be fine. Also this may be irrelvent to the arguement but u know some AAS increase the amount of red blood cells and they do have a 3 month life. If have used anything thats hard on the hpta like deca I will be very very suprised

02-15-2003, 02:20 PM	#12
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,053 Photos: 1	Something interesting I heard, was that if an under 18 year old took supplemental test, thier permanent test levels would always be higher through their life due to the body accepting that T level as thier baseline.
	Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks

02-16-2003, 02:32 AM	#13
crackerjack414 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: cali Posts: 644	hmmm mudge I was 19 when I started ill let u know in a few years

02-16-2003, 02:41 AM	#14
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,053 Photos: 1	I know a guy that started when he was 18, but thats a "little late" possibly, and this particular guy is not coming off any time soon either. Sounds kind of hokey to me, but it also sounds like it could be true/possible.
	Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks

02-17-2003, 05:07 PM	#15
cornfed Sweet 'lil Innocent Mod Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: serenity now insanity later Posts: 1,802	I came offa' prop, cyp and halo. very light cycle... just missed the pins more than anything I wish I woulda' started HCG/primo/var @ 15. That woulda' been nice LOL
	- "If I ever run into Dave Grohl, I'm gonna kick his fuqqin' ass... because he sucks and he wrote this cheese-dick song for Ozzy that I have to fuqqin' play on and I'll never forgive him for that. Foo Fighters is a fuqqin' candy-ass girl band but you've got that mother-fuqqer submitting songs [for the album], and those douchebags from the Offspring, too." "...Dave Grohl? Fuq Dave Grohl! ...you're getting this guy to write songs for Ozzy? Just because he played drums for fuqqing Sh!tvana?" --- Zakk Wylde --- ---Dimebag Darrel RIP---

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