Thread: 1st cycle advice

Personally I would extend the cycle out to 12 weeks if you can. I'd also add in or at least have an AI on hand like Aromasin or Adex. You may also want to run the Winny for say 4-weeks and not throughout the whole cycle.

You may want to do a little more research on your PCT. 20mg a day is not the proper dosing. It's more of a 4 week gradual decline.

14 days is not long enough for pct, you need 3-4 weeks minimum. Your sust dosage is also too low imo, and I would definitely reccomend going with test enanthate or cypionate rather than sust if you still have that option. Sust should ideally be pinned every other day at least because of the prop ester, whereas e or c can be injected twice a week. I'd also extend to 10 weeks, and most definitely use an AI like aromasin or arimidex throughout the cycle. As for the winstrol you can use that to kickstart or finish but I would definitely not run it the entire cycle.

Maybe I read it wrong but it sounds like you're doing a fullbody routine? I would switch to something like a 4 day split, ie. day 1)chest/tris 2)back/bis 3)shoulders/forearms/abs etc. 4)legs . As for your appetite the AAS should help a bit but it won't stop you from feeling bloated and full, that you kinda just have to deal with lol

Noone noticed this guy is taking 350mg of sus a week lol! Thats terrible cycle building.

ha I mentioned that, def too low

Since sust has a mix of both short and longer Esther testosterones you would benefit most from Eod injections. If you want less injections go with test E or Cyp. I would add clomid to the pct for sure. I would have aromasin or Adex or Nolva on hand if you don't know how your body will react with sides. All af these are great anti estrogens.

Done some research and for a first time user TEST ONLY. Once again TEST ONLY. You start adding all types of compounds and its gonna be super difficult. Stick with the basics. Learn how your body reacts to Test first. Test should be the base of every cycle. Start at 250ml 2xweek(Mon, Thur).

Look into AI's (aromasin,adex) stay away from letro it will shut down your libido. I would go with Forma-Stanzol super good reviews on this product,plus its all natty so you dont have to worry about scripts and the b.s. Nolva is for OCT if gyno shows up on cycle, so keep that in your stash.

Grab some HCG for the fellas. This is another product for OCT. Nuts start shrinking use this. Start at small dose like 250iu's 2x a week. Use more and you can run the risk of desensitizing the boys(no bueno, might not recover).

Your PCT should consist of Clomid for 4wks tapering down after 2wks. 50/50/20/20. Some guys like to frontload the first 2wks at like 100mg, dont do it you run the chance of harsh side effect. Grab some Vitamin C and some Creatine. Look into Unleashed and Post-Cycle they are over the counter products that you can also run with your SERM for PCT.

Now granted I've never cycled but I've done alot of research and talk with some guys who've been doing this for 20yrs+ and this is the advice they gave me, so I'm passing it to you. Have fun enjoy and Kill That Shit!!!

Sorry about the delay, and thanks for the all feedback, everyone.

I'm kind of committed to the sus at this point, so as long as it's not completely fubar, I'll stick with it. Seems unanimous though to kick it up to 500mg/week for 10 weeks.

Drop the win down to weeks 6-10, same dosage.

My workouts aren't a full-body routine. It's just a poorly written post. Each line is a day. So it's day 1. legs, abs; day 2. chest, tri's, abs, etc.

I'll have plenty of nolva on hand even with upping the dosage to a 4 week taper throughout the cycle for any sides that may show up. Not to sharpshoot anyone, cuz for sure, I don't know shit and you guys definitely do:
For PCT, since nolva and clomid have the same mechanism of action, is upping the Nolva to 40/40/30/20 stacked with clomid overkill on PCT? Or is there really no such thing as overkill PCT?
Will running HCG during cycle effect my PCT plan?

bump for advice

Originally Posted by JMedic79

Sorry about the delay, and thanks for the all feedback, everyone.

I'm kind of committed to the sus at this point, so as long as it's not completely fubar, I'll stick with it. Seems unanimous though to kick it up to 500mg/week for 10 weeks.

Drop the win down to weeks 6-10, same dosage.

My workouts aren't a full-body routine. It's just a poorly written post. Each line is a day. So it's day 1. legs, abs; day 2. chest, tri's, abs, etc.

I'll have plenty of nolva on hand even with upping the dosage to a 4 week taper throughout the cycle for any sides that may show up. Not to sharpshoot anyone, cuz for sure, I don't know shit and you guys definitely do:
For PCT, since nolva and clomid have the same mechanism of action, is upping the Nolva to 40/40/30/20 stacked with clomid overkill on PCT? Or is there really no such thing as overkill PCT?
Will running HCG during cycle effect my PCT plan?

You haven't started so a TEST E or C only cycle, once again would be the proper choice.
If your gonna run the sustanon...
Bump it to approximately
500mgs wk for 10 wks---125mgs Eod
Winny-wk6-10 50mgs Ed
Hcg- wks2-10 500ius split twice a wk is fine place to start,
Aromasin-10 wks at 12.5 mgs eod adjusting as needed.
PCT
3 wks after last pin
Clomid 100/75/75/50ed
Aromasin 25/25/12.5/12.5ed
Clomid helps restart your testies.
Nolva IMO is better left for on cycle gyno issues it binds to estrogen receptors.
Also suppress IGF-1 and GH levels..not Gd during pct

Originally Posted by Dath

You haven't started so a TEST E or C only cycle, once again would be the proper choice.
If your gonna run the sustanon...
Bump it to approximately
500mgs wk for 10 wks---125mgs Eod
Winny-wk6-10 50mgs Ed
Hcg- wks2-10 500ius split twice a wk is fine place to start,
Aromasin-10 wks at 12.5 mgs eod adjusting as needed.
PCT
3 wks after last pin
Clomid 100/75/75/50ed
Aromasin 25/25/12.5/12.5ed
Clomid helps restart your testies.
Nolva IMO is better left for on cycle gyno issues it binds to estrogen receptors.
Also suppress IGF-1 and GH levels..not Gd during pct

Solid advice, Dath. I appreciate it. That's what I've been getting from the additional research I've been doing. Looks like I've got my cycle good to go. Thanks, again, bro.

Enjoy the ride bro

Keep us posted too!

For sure. I wish I would've found this site 6 months ago. I've been sitting in afghanistan doing nothing but getting my diet right and lifting. I could've run two full cycles and come back home fucking unrecognizable! I'll be posting progress and pics once I start the fun.

Originally Posted by JMedic79

For sure. I wish I would've found this site 6 months ago. I've been sitting in afghanistan doing nothing but getting my diet right and lifting. I could've run two full cycles and come back home fucking unrecognizable! I'll be posting progress and pics once I start the fun.

Wow , I sincerely Thank you for your services and dedication to our GREAT country and helping to keep us free.
Be safe brotha.

Dude, Bro! So let me get this right.... You have been sitting in Afghan land for 6 months doing nothing! you must be a POG! Im currently in Afghanistan too, see ya tomorrow Doc Bro! lol

Originally Posted by ArmyofOne

Dude, Bro! So let me get this right.... You have been sitting in Afghan land for 6 months doing nothing! you must be a POG! Im currently in Afghanistan too, see ya tomorrow Doc Bro! lol

I'm so POG! Coffee up, brah! Go easy on the info, bro! I wouldn't say I haven't been doing anything, mainly because I count poking the back of your throat as something You're such a douche, Vanilla Bear!

Originally Posted by JMedic79

I'm so POG! Coffee up, brah! Go easy on the info, bro! I wouldn't say I haven't been doing anything, mainly because I count poking the back of your throat as something You're such a douche, Vanilla Bear!

Guy dude bro man! Grampa Bear

Grampa Bear! You're going to see some old man strength in the gym in like 10 minutes, kiddo