Beginner with frills cycle help PLEASE

**sooner918** · 01-09-2012, 02:52 PM

The Cycle
1-10 Test E 700mg/wk--200 is TRT ( Inject 2 x Per Week ie; Tue/Fri )
1-4 Dbol 50mg/ed--
1-15 Aromasin 10mg/eod

On week 4 and getting great strength results but joint pain is starting.

Questions:
Is it ok to add Deca--if so when & how much??
PCT not needed since I will be on 200wk test??

Also been on HGH for 2 months, started at 2iu, currently at 5iu ed and plan on doing for at least 6 mo.

39yo -- 220 5'11" 22%--
Diet--pretty good--getting better
Goal-- to be in best shape of my life by 40th in DEC

Thanks for any help.

**IWANTORAL(S)** · 01-09-2012, 03:16 PM

just add liek 300 deca.. i have never dealt with joint pain. i am sure other people might have a better answer

**oufinny** · 01-09-2012, 03:20 PM

Sounds like the increase in GH is the cause. Surely some deca or NPP would solve that. Anavar helps a lot too but you are already taking dbol so go the deca route. might not need more than 200 just for joints; not an expert so others may have some better advice to offer.

**sooner918** · 01-09-2012, 03:33 PM

200-300 -- Start now??? How long do I run it??? Can I just add to 1 of my pins or add another pin day???

**Caz Rad** · 01-09-2012, 06:15 PM

If running deca, be sure to stop taking it 2weeks before your final test injection. Deca has a longer half-life than test and this gives it time to clear while you finish your cycle before starting PCT. Deca is normally run at 12 weeks minimum. Read up on the profile before you start. There are some prolactin sides you need to be aware of so prepare to combat this. Be safe. Study as much as possible before putting this stuff into your body. We can advise, but you need to do the research.

**OldSchoolLifter** · 01-09-2012, 07:35 PM

If you want I would leave out Deca, but Run NPP Mon- Wed-Friday at 100mg each dose, and you will greatly improver this cycle.

Nice cycle BTW! ;-)

**Digitalash** · 01-09-2012, 09:24 PM

You only have six weeks left so npp would probably be a better choice. It might just be that your strength went up too quickly on the dbol though so maye work in higher reps for a week or two and see if you feel any better

**sooner918** · 01-10-2012, 11:35 AM

Oldschool---Did research on NPP because I know nothing about. Sounds like too much BIG pinning 4me. Tough enough as it is. I will continue with TRT at 200mg per week after cycle, does that play a role in the time needed to start Deca?? How long do I run the deca and at how much?? Can I add to one of my Tue Fri pins???

**D-Lats** · 01-10-2012, 11:44 AM

Lol i was going to say the exact same thing as OSL.

**Digitalash** · 01-10-2012, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by sooner918

Oldschool---Did research on NPP because I know nothing about. Sounds like too much BIG pinning 4me. Tough enough as it is. I will continue with TRT at 200mg per week after cycle, does that play a role in the time needed to start Deca?? How long do I run the deca and at how much?? Can I add to one of my Tue Fri pins???

since you won't be pct'ing (because you are on trt) I don't see an issue with adding deca and extending the cycle. Deca should ideally be run 12+ weeks since it's such a long ester but if you don't want to go that long you can frontload it and it will kick in a bit quicker. NPP is just short estered nandrolone (deca) which is why it would be a bit better with the cycle you have planned, but you can definitely add the deca to your tue-fri pins and run it for 10 weeks or so. Depending on the dosage you go with you might want to run cabergoline with it to prevent progestin side effects

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