Please Critique my FIRST EVER Cycle + PCT (Help Appreciated!!)

**Elgeno** · 01-10-2012, 04:41 AM

Hey guys, I'm pretty new to the steroid game, but I've spent the last few months and countless hours researching. I've had a few other boards critique my initial cycle, I'm just trying to incorporate HCG and work out a decent PCT.

The only thing to really consider for me individually, is that I have preexisting pubescent gyno. My nipples are puffy. There's no additional fat, the nipple itself is just raised and dome shaped. I have been told this will make me prone to gyno, which is why I've added the AIs and such. Secondly, I want lots of kids one day, so I want to avoid any damage at all to my balls.

Proposed Cycle
Weeks 1 - 12
Test E - 400mg/week (2x200mg injections)
HCG - 250iu E3D
Arimidex - 0.5mg E2D

If gyno occurs, will up Arimidex to 0.5mg ED.
If continues, Arimidex 1mg ED
If continues, Lectrozole will be introduced @ 0.25mg ED

Weeks 13 & 14
Nothing.

PCT
Weeks 15, 16 & 17 (Beginning 2 weeks after last Test-E injection)
Aromasin - 20mg ED
Nolvadex 40mg ED for Week 15 // 20mg ED for Week 16 // 20mg ED Week 17
Clomid - 100mg ED for Week 15 // 50mg ED for Week 16 // 50mg ED for Week 17

Week 18
Nolvadex - 20mg ED
Clomid - 50mg ED

Weeks 19 & 20
Clomid - 25mg ED

Any thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated. Please keep in mind it's my first time, my current gyno problem and that I want to bounce back to fully functional levels when I'm done.

Below are my stats, diet and training split.

My Stats
Male
22 years old (23 in June, would wait until then to run cycle)
Weight: 84kg (185lbs) after cutting from 95kg (209lbs).
Height: 184cm (roughly 6'0"-6'1")
Body Fat: 10-12% (haven't been training for the last 2 weeks due to having appendix removed)
Body Type: Natural, ecto, hardgainer. Nice, broad shoulders. Ridiculously long arms though. Hard to make them look bulky.
Training History: 3-4 years of serious training. Been lifting since 16, but only got diet in line at 18-19.
Goals: Gain LBM, minimal body fat. I want to look really good. Big fan of the old-school bodybuilders like Arnold and Zane. Not so much concerned about being monsters like they were, but I want it to be obvious I train seriously.

My Diet
Meal 1 - WPI Shake
0f/1c/27p/109cal

Meal 2 - 4 whole eggs, 2 whites, 100g oats, 2 slices of toast, 1/4 avocado
33.5f/105c/48.7p/1072cal

Meal 3 - 200g Brown rice, 150g tuna in olive oil, 100g brocoli
21f/62c/40p/666cal

Meal 4 - 4 kangaroo sausages, 300g sweet potato, 30 almonds
20f/60c/45p/605cal

Pre Workout - 20g WPI + 40g waxy maize
0f/37c/16p/220cal

Post Workout - 50g WPI + 80g Waxy Maize
2f/75c/40p/480cal

Dinner - 150g chicken breast, 150g baked potato, 30 almonds, 100g brocoli
20f/40c/60p/580cal

Before Bed - 250g cottage cheese
11f/7c/31p/260cal

TOTAL: 108g of fat // 380g of carbs // 307g of protein // 3990 cal

My Split
Sunday: Legs (quad/ham)
Monday: Arms
Tuesday: Shoulders/Calves
Wednesday: REST
Thursday: Back
Friday: Chest
Saturday: REST
Obviously big compound movements. 8-12 rep range. Set range 3-5 per exercise. Few isos to finish off depending on the muscle group.
Every 6 weeks I do a low rep day to shock the muscles. Every 8 weeks I'm changing my routine so I don't adjust.

Thanks for reading, guys! I eagerly await your feedback. :-)

**MrSaturatedFat** · 01-10-2012, 06:04 AM

Great layout for your first time!

My only thoughts would be; Keep your HCG during weeks 13-14. You still have the test going through your system at these weeks. The only prob is, a 5000iu vial at your doses will only last 10 weeks, so you'll have to get another vial.

Also, a 6 week PCT for your proposed cycle seems a bit overkill. I know your trying to be very careful due to your condition, I just think you could save a little money buy cutting it to 4 weeks.

**justhav2p** · 01-10-2012, 06:52 AM

looks solid. I am not a fan of anyone under 25 running cycles, but at least you put in the research and have the knowledge... I tip my hat to you.

over all looks good, I would run 500mgs Test a week. That extra 100mgs from your proposed 400 will be the difference between an Immortal and a God!

EAT MOTHERFUCKER, EAT!

**GarlicChicken** · 01-10-2012, 07:17 AM

Like sat fat said, run the hcg through weeks 13-14. Otherwise you will start shutting down again. For the pct I think its a little overkill, I usually run the clomid at 100/100/75/50, and that works great. The aromasin is good in pct, I'm not a fan of doubling the serms though. Clomid is pretty damn effective. Well thought out man, that's good.

**D-Lats** · 01-10-2012, 07:22 AM

Looks good bro fire away!

**XYZ** · 01-10-2012, 07:24 AM

No need for the nolva during PCT if you're using aromasin and clomid.

I would wait until you're 25.

**justhav2p** · 01-10-2012, 07:28 AM

DING DING DING,

2 for 25 now!

**juicespringsteen** · 01-10-2012, 07:33 AM

that arimidex dose seems a bit excessive for only 400mg of test per week. i suggest you lower it. better to start out low and increase if necesssary

**rage racing** · 01-10-2012, 08:09 AM

Needs more test. 500mg a week.

My first cycle looks like this:

TestE 500mg EW 1-12
Dbol40mg ed 1-4
Aromasin 12.5mg ED 1-14
Hcg 500iu ew 2-12
Blast HCG 500iu eod for 10days as test clears

Clomid 100/100/75/50
Aromasin 25/25/12.5/12.5

This cycle is pretty standard and was given to me by some very respected vets. Good luck bro.

**Elgeno** · 01-10-2012, 03:12 PM

Thanks for the feedback, guys. I've found it very helpful. I agree the PCT is overkill. I think I'll get rid of the Nolvadex and stick to Clomid & Aromasin. Anyone wanna confirm this is a good idea so I rest easier?

And to clarify, run HCG from Day 1 until the day before PCT? If so, at 250iu twice/week? (500iu) And should I use an AI with it? (Remember, prone to gyno)

Thanks again, guys!

**Vibrant** · 01-10-2012, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by rage racing

Needs more test. 500mg a week.

My first cycle looks like this:

TestE 500mg EW 1-12
Dbol40mg ed 1-4
Aromasin 12.5mg ED 1-14
Hcg 500iu ew 2-12
Blast HCG 500iu eod for 10days as test clears

Clomid 100/100/75/50
Aromasin 25/25/12.5/12.5

This cycle is pretty standard and was given to me by some very respected vets. Good luck bro.

good cycle but dbol might not be good for him because of his gyno.

Originally Posted by Elgeno

Thanks for the feedback, guys. I've found it very helpful. I agree the PCT is overkill. I think I'll get rid of the Nolvadex and stick to Clomid & Aromasin. Anyone wanna confirm this is a good idea so I rest easier?

And to clarify, run HCG from Day 1 until the day before PCT? If so, at 250iu twice/week? (500iu) And should I use an AI with it? (Remember, prone to gyno)

Thanks again, guys!

Clomid/aromasin for pct. use an ai throughout your cycle and pct.

**GreatWhiteTruth** · 01-11-2012, 12:23 AM

Originally Posted by Elgeno

Thanks for the feedback, guys. I've found it very helpful. I agree the PCT is overkill. I think I'll get rid of the Nolvadex and stick to Clomid & Aromasin. Anyone wanna confirm this is a good idea so I rest easier?

And to clarify, run HCG from Day 1 until the day before PCT? If so, at 250iu twice/week? (500iu) And should I use an AI with it? (Remember, prone to gyno)

Thanks again, guys!

Yup. Don't throw the nolva away though. Keep it on hand in case you have a bad gyno flare up.

I would run aromasin for PCT not Adex. Aromasin is irreversible, whereas Adex is not and it may cause a potential rebound. Since you are and should be running a SERM (clomid) for PCT you shouldn't have to worry about a rebound regardless of what AI you use, but I fucking hate gyno flare ups so I wouldn't take a chance.

**owwwch** · 01-11-2012, 12:46 AM

should he up the test a bit at wk 8 or no because of his age?

**caaraa** · 01-11-2012, 01:20 AM

Looks good bro fire away!

**Elgeno** · 01-11-2012, 01:38 AM

Well, here it is. Changed and updated. I'm pretty comfortable and confident with what I've got (first time since researching). If you could have one last review and let me know, that'd be fantastic.

Cycle
Weeks 1 -12
Test-E - 400mg/Week (2 x 200mg injections)
Weeks 1 - 14
Arimidex - 0.5mg E2D
HCG - 250iu E3D

PCT - 2 weeks after last Test-E injection
Weeks 15 - 18
Aromasin - 25mgED//25mgED//12.5mgED//12.5mgED
Clomid - 100mgED//50mgED//50mgED//50mgED

Incase of gyno, Arimidex will be increased to .5mgED.
If persists, 1mg ED.
If persists, Lectrozole wil be introduced @ .25mgED

I've opted to use the HCG right up until the PCT because the Test would still be in my system at that time, so my nuts could still shut off. I plan on keeping the dose as is during that time, but can up if I need to.

I opted for Clomid and Aromasin (over Nolva) for the PCT because I read Nolva can decrease IGF which I don't want. Apparently Nolva is better to prevent gyno than Clomid, but I've got Aromasin on that front.

Thanks again so much for your patience, guys. I really appreciate the time and effort you've given me. Hopefully this cycle is spot on now and I can stop bothering you all :-)

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