Third Cycle Suggestions

**malfeasance** · 01-10-2012, 07:49 AM

Age 44
Height 6
Weight 213
bf % 10-11
Previous Cycles 2
Boners every morning

to that last one

I am starting PCT for my second cycle, which netted me 22 very solid pounds. We'll see what I keep as PCT progresses, and, of course, during my off time until the third cycle. I lost a lot of weight after the first cycle, keeping, according to the scale, about 7 pounds, but I looked completely transformed, so there was some fat loss and muscle gain unaccounted for in the simple weight calculation. I was leaner this time around, so if I drop that much weight this time, well, we'll see how it goes.

Cycle one was the simple test (10 weeks) and dbol (3 weeks), and cycle 2 was test 600 wk (16 weeks), deca 300 wk (12 weeks), and dbol. I threw some Winnie in at the end for a few weeks (weeks 12 through 14, about 3 weeks) just as an experiment. I loved the way I leaned up while gaining weight at the same time, but I did not like the way my joints started hurting (the Deca had gotten rid of all my pain). I was not really using the Winnie for its intended purpose as a part of my cycle, but experimenting to see if I might use it in a future cycle.

I figured I should start planning the late spring/early summer third-ever cycle right now.

I was thinking test and deca in a little higher dosages this time, with Anadrol instead of dbol, but I would really like some input from people here who have gone through my level (3rd cycle) and either loved what they did for their third cycle, or haved learned something that they would have done differently. Tell me what you think I should do, based on my goal below.

As a goal, I would like to get to a lean (10% bf or so) 220 pounds. We'll see how possible that is after I lose whatever weight is going to come off after this second cycle. I am of course close to that now, but it is time to come off and recover natural test.

**Vibrant** · 01-10-2012, 08:02 AM

how do you feel about tren?

**malfeasance** · 01-10-2012, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by Vibrant

how do you feel about tren?

Don't know how I feel about it. I am concerned about the posts on here with people saying they want to kill everybody

. That does not sound like a good mind alteration. Anyway, never tried it, and I do not know anybody who has tried it. My experience is limited to what I posted above.

**Digitalash** · 01-10-2012, 03:39 PM

If you want to gain mass and lose fat tren will probably be your best bet. If you don't want to go that route you may need to bulk then cut on the same cycle, in that case just about anything will work. If you liked the deca I say run it again @ like 400mg with 600-750 test. Kickstart with dbol or drol if you want, drol kinda scares me and dbol makes me feel great so that would be my choice but it's up to you.

If you haven't had any real issues with side effects though I'd give tren some thought...

**Hell** · 01-10-2012, 03:52 PM

Test - Either High or low mg a week
Tren 40mg ed or 80mg eod

The stories about Tren are overblown in my opinion. Have some caber and adex/aromasin on hand and you'll be fine as long as your ok with waking up a little sweaty. Nothing comes close to Tren!!

**malfeasance** · 01-10-2012, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by Digitalash

If you haven't had any real issues with side effects though I'd give tren some thought...

No real issues with side effects to date.

**malfeasance** · 01-10-2012, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by Hell

Test - Either High or low mg a week
Tren 40mg ed or 80mg eod

The stories about Tren are overblown in my opinion. Have some caber and adex/aromasin on hand and you'll be fine as long as your ok with waking up a little sweaty. Nothing comes close to Tren!!

I assume that is for Tren A, correct?

As for sweaty, I wake up sweaty on just test alone, so I am used to that.

How many weeks do people running Tren? I saw in another thread 8-12 weeks, but I saw heavyiron post that he usually has to give it up after about 6 weeks.

**Hell** · 01-10-2012, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by malfeasance

I assume that is for Tren A, correct?

As for sweaty, I wake up sweaty on just test alone, so I am used to that.

How many weeks do people running Tren? I saw in another thread 8-12 weeks, but I saw heavyiron post that he usually has to give it up after about 6 weeks.

Correct Tren Ace
Most go 6-12 weeks.
For me after about 8 weeks of anything i feel the need to switch it up, Like 8 weeks of Test/NPP straight into 8 weeks of Tren/Test.

**malfeasance** · 01-10-2012, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by Hell

Test - Either High or low mg a week
Tren 40mg ed or 80mg eod

High or low!

Both previous cycles, test was at 600 mg. Of course, during the second, most recent, cycle, the effects of 600 mg along with the Deca and dbol was pretty amazing after about week 3 or 4, compared to just test.

You wrote high or low. Would you adjust the 600 mg higher or lower when doing the 280 mg weekly of Trenbolone Acetate that you suggest above?

**Hell** · 01-10-2012, 08:43 PM

Originally Posted by malfeasance

High or low!

Both previous cycles, test was at 600 mg. Of course, during the second, most recent, cycle, the effects of 600 mg along with the Deca and dbol was pretty amazing after about week 3 or 4, compared to just test.

You wrote high or low. Would you adjust the 600 mg higher or lower when doing the 280 mg weekly of Trenbolone Acetate that you suggest above?

Some people like their test higher than their tren, some like it lowe tan the tren. I have done both and I tend to do go with lower test, 250mg a week, and higher tren. Only side I had then was just the night sweats.

The tren dosages I suggested are a starting point to see how you respond to it. After a week or 2 if your doing fine by all means, raise it to 50 mg ed and eventually maybe 75 mg ed, just gotta judge for yourself.

Tren mg higher than test ?

**malfeasance** · 01-20-2012, 08:09 AM

Would there be any downside to adding a little Deca (NPP or Deca) for helping the joints? Is this counterproductive when using Tren?

**Hell** · 01-20-2012, 08:43 AM

Originally Posted by malfeasance

Would there be any downside to adding a little Deca (NPP or Deca) for helping the joints? Is this counterproductive when using Tren?

I do the same, 150mg of Deca a week works wonders!

**NPCSUPERHEAVY** · 01-20-2012, 07:20 PM

All good points

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