Thread: New to site need cycle advice

Yes and it would also be an easy way for them to take your scholarship away. AAS will not make you a better player, if you suck, your going to still suck after, but at least when then guys in the locker room make fun of you, you will be jacked.

Kidding, but in all honesty you have other options without putting your possible career at risk

any help?

Winny might not be an optimal choice for some athletes because of the joint problems associated with it.

1-10 Weeks test e or c at 500mg.
If you want an oral I'd recommend anavar. A lot of athletes use it.
6or 8 Weeks of var at 70-100Mg Ed. You can either run those 6/8 as a kick start or finisher.

On cycle ai: adex @ .5Mg eod

Pct starts two Weeks after last test injection:

Clomid 100/100/75/50
Aromasin 25/25/12.5/12.5

"I need steroids to go pro at baseball"

LMAO

Originally Posted by GeorgeForemanRules

"I need steroids to go pro at baseball"

LMAO

^^ agreed

But since your mostly likely gonna do it Anyhow BSh, get some anavar rather then winny because of what Vibrant stated along with the pct he layed out for you.

steroids won't help you much if any in baseball at 22 yrs old. identify your weaknesses and work on improving them

Originally Posted by bjg

steroids won't help you much if any in baseball at 22 yrs old. identify your weaknesses and work on improving them

How would it not help?

Originally Posted by OldSchoolLifter

Yes and it would also be an easy way for them to take your scholarship away. AAS will not make you a better player, if you suck, your going to still suck after, but at least when then guys in the locker room make fun of you, you will be jacked.

Kidding, but in all honesty you have other options without putting your possible career at risk

Very well put man! I coach on a high school level and either you got talent or you don't! Go big with your diet and study sports nutrition.

Becareful OP. I played Div1 College hockey in the late 90's. Being very good and very jacked brings somewhat unwanted attention.......trust me.

Originally Posted by BSh036

How would it not help?

what do you need for baseball? i am not a baseball expert but i guess you need
1-technique and talent
2- speed in your arm
3-Speed in your legs
4- A good eye/arm coordination
5- a bit of stamina
6- Agility
7- brains
Steroids is not gonna help in all of the above, in fact it can hurt in some areas like coordination and arm speed and stamina
training , plyometric exercises, and other speed training will
i competed in judo many years and many fighters were on steroids but it never helped them, technique , talent and brains were much more useful and were always the winners, always.

i'll give you an example: bring the heaviest biggest badd ass steroid monster power lifter and a fit javelin thrower , give them a 100 lbs bar. the power lifter will throw it farther than the javelin thrower because this needs lots of force and not much technique. however give them both a regular javelin and see the difference, because at this weight speed and technique are more important than muscle mass and force.
would a javelin thrower improve his throws by getting bigger or by improving his speed and technique?

Originally Posted by bjg

what do you need for baseball? i am not a baseball expert but i guess you need
1-technique and talent
2- speed in your arm
3-Speed in your legs
4- A good eye/arm coordination
5- a bit of stamina
6- Agility
7- brains
Steroids is not gonna help in all of the above, in fact it can hurt in some areas like coordination and arm speed and stamina
training , plyometric exercises, and other speed training will
i competed in judo many years and many fighters were on steroids but it never helped them, technique , talent and brains were much more useful and were always the winners, always.

i'll give you an example: bring the heaviest biggest badd ass steroid monster power lifter and a fit javelin thrower , give them a 100 lbs bar. the power lifter will throw it farther than the javelin thrower because this needs lots of force and not much technique. however give them both a regular javelin and see the difference, because at this weight speed and technique are more important than muscle mass and force.
would a javelin thrower improve his throws by getting bigger or by improving his speed and technique?

There are very good points in this but is anyone here aware of the steroid era? mark mcgwire, bonds, sosa. they were all very talented players but no way would they have broken the records with out juice. "when Grimsley joined the yankees in 1999 he was being clocked at 91-93. He told federal agents he began using performance enhancing drugs the following year when he was being clocked at 96-99 mph."

I am not disagreeing with what you say at all but there has to be something helping here. no one jumps that much in one year even at the pro level.

Originally Posted by BSh036

There are very good points in this but is anyone here aware of the steroid era? mark mcgwire, bonds, sosa. they were all very talented players but no way would they have broken the records with out juice. "when Grimsley joined the yankees in 1999 he was being clocked at 91-93. He told federal agents he began using performance enhancing drugs the following year when he was being clocked at 96-99 mph."

I am not disagreeing with what you say at all but there has to be something helping here. no one jumps that much in one year even at the pro level.

Well never forget that era of Baseball, but those are PROS who have made it.
Obviously AAS helps but what most are suggesting to you in your situation is don't throw away your chances by getting caught using. You know what it means to train I'm certain you've put in thousands of hard work to get where you are now correct !
Continue with it spend your money on a nutrionalist all these pros from soccer to mma have strict diets they adhere to most of the year. Your still plenty young man. Seriously look at Kurt Warner dude never gave up on his dream of pro football and was bagging groceries at one point. Then goes to the Super Bowl!!
Dedication to training, diet and positive plp around you will aid you in your dream. That's just my .02 cents
Best of luck bro

Originally Posted by BSh036

There are very good points in this but is anyone here aware of the steroid era? mark mcgwire, bonds, sosa. they were all very talented players but no way would they have broken the records with out juice. "when Grimsley joined the yankees in 1999 he was being clocked at 91-93. He told federal agents he began using performance enhancing drugs the following year when he was being clocked at 96-99 mph."

I am not disagreeing with what you say at all but there has to be something helping here. no one jumps that much in one year even at the pro level.

like i said i m no baseball expert and like you said steroids must help somewhere in baseball but not sure where...i don't think it should improve arm speed since this is mainly talent and neurological rather than muscle mass, maybe it improves a little bit once you hit your plateau. but what is important is that at your stage i think proper training and technique improvement will help you more.
possibly strength training can improve your speed since it improves your neurological response. strength training can be achieved without big muscle mass gains. muscle mass does improve acceleration only if coupled with a proper neurological response, but also mass itself reduces acceleration (more weight) so in short to be faster you need to get stronger but not much bigger. Also the maximum strength needed to throw a ball the fastest possible is less than the strength needed to lift heavy weights, and you can achieve that without steroids, adding more strength with AAS will not do you any significant improvements on the contrary it might slow you down because of possible mass increase, water retention and less flexibility.
like in tennis the fastest servers are not usually the biggest guys as far as muscles are concerned.

any ideas on exercises that would increase velocity? what would be a good range of repetitions for upper body workouts, also what lifts to stay away from?

Originally Posted by BSh036

22 years old, 6'2'', 205 lbs, 14% bf. yes i know its young but I am currently playing junior college baseball and it would be very helpful to my chances of receiving a scholarship or pro contract if i were to use AAS. Any advice on a good cycle for athlete? a teammate of mine was running test c 500 mg/wk for 10 weeks and winny 50 mg a day for 4 weeks With arimidex and clomid for post cycle, would this be a good cycle to start at?

22 yrs old and in juco??? Ur a granddad at that level compared to your teammates. What happened after highschool? Played juco out of highschool. Got a scholarship to a D 1 from hard work and talent. Had a buddy in juco that was thinking the same way you are and started to juice. Got jacked but it didn't help. He was to tight to get his dam bat around plus his arm strength decreased. He was good but not good enough. God givin talent and some hard work is what you need bro. Just my two cents

Originally Posted by bigpoppapump

22 yrs old and in juco??? Ur a granddad at that level compared to your teammates. What happened after highschool? Played juco out of highschool. Got a scholarship to a D 1 from hard work and talent. Had a buddy in juco that was thinking the same way you are and started to juice. Got jacked but it didn't help. He was to tight to get his dam bat around plus his arm strength decreased. He was good but not good enough. God givin talent and some hard work is what you need bro. Just my two cents

i was in the army...

Originally Posted by bigpoppapump

22 yrs old and in juco??? Ur a granddad at that level compared to your teammates. What happened after highschool? Played juco out of highschool. Got a scholarship to a D 1 from hard work and talent. Had a buddy in juco that was thinking the same way you are and started to juice. Got jacked but it didn't help. He was to tight to get his dam bat around plus his arm strength decreased. He was good but not good enough. God givin talent and some hard work is what you need bro. Just my two cents

exactly juice can decrease your range of motion and decrease your speed.
throwing fast balls is almost all technique. You could use some strength and quickness exercises in the gym like olympic or power clean lifting (without excessive weights) with good form so you don't hurt your joints. Squating (fast positive reps) but again you have to be explosive without hurting your joints. You can do standing front military presses (bending your knees and using your legs to push up)
In the field you can do some plyometric exercises, sprints etc...

sure some track and field and soccer and tennis players and many athletes use AAS to enhance performance but they use it when they are not progressing anymore or just to give them a small push, some steroids help with some types of injuries... they do not do regular AAS cycling with the doses used by bodybuilders. Cycling like bodybuilders will not improve your performance on the field , it just improves your looks as muscle mass building, how many baseball players or any other professional athlete do you see looking like ronnie coleman?

As a father of a 20 yr old baseball pitcher, I understand why this young man is asking for help. I know many young players that could not make a college roster out of high school and then a year later com back 25lbs bigger and dominate. My son had Tommy John surgery in high school and struggled with his rehab. He worked his butt off just to get his arm strength back and his fastball back to 91. When his team traveled to Florida to play a week early in Feb. last year we found out just how many kids juiced and found out then that many are put on cycles by trainers. Especially the foriegn players. I know pitchers that benefited from hgh mixed with other drugs that greatly help in their rehab. It's hard to tell these players not to take things that help them train harder and increase the arm strength when a big portion of their competion is. As for my son he quit because he just could not keep his arm strength up. I'm not condoning the use of performance enhancing drugs,and talked my son out of trying them. Even though many of his freinds with less talent used them and moved on. What I am saying is that if these young men are going to use,maybe some of you that use them could help them with info on what's best so they don't experiment on their own.

JMO

your son is lucky he had you...you are right many kids are on their own and end up doing stupid stuff....anyways your son did the right decision of not taking AAS but it is a shame that he had to quit baseball all together because he was forced to compete with less talented juicers it must have been tough on him.

You'll throw harder, become faster and hit harder. As long as you keep your flexibility ansd don't lose all your rage of motion. My opinion is it will just make you more of what you are already. Just be ready to be called out a lot. Myself and a teammate get called out every game by opposing players. You can't hide it. Everyone with have a brain will see you are on gear. Just do what vibrant suggested up above. Just remember at 22 if you're not being looked at you probably never will. Especially if you've been playing all your life.