Test E is best twice a week = 500
And why run sd? It's your 3rd cycle-just start PCT after last shot on week 12 of test.
Good luck.

Hello I am just getting every thing in place for my next cycle and would like some info on the lay out I have come up with.
If you think its way to much with the added sd please say?
This will be my 3rd cycle and I want it to be a good one thanks.
test e / dbol/sd/nolva / Anastrozole and Aromasin + daa
week 1 dbol 30/day 750 test zole 0.5 eod
week 2 dbol 30/day 500 test zole 0.5 eod
week 3 dbol 30/day 500 test zole 0.5 eod
week 4 dbol 40/day 500 test zole 0.5 eod
week 5 dbol 40/day 500 test zole 0.5 eod
week 6 500 test zole 0.5 eod
week 7 500 test zole 0.5 eod
week 8 500 test zole 0.5 eod
week 9 500 test zole 0.5 eod
week 10 500 test zole 0.5 eod
week 11 500 test zole 0.5 eod
week 12 sd 20mg 500 test zole 0.5 eod
week 13 sd 20mg zole 0.5 eod
week 14 sd 20mg zole 0.5 eod
week 15 pct nolva 40mg/ day aromasin 25mg/day daa
week 16 nolva 40mg/ day aromasin 25mg/day daa
week 17 nolva 20mg/ day aromasin 25mg/day daa
week 18 nolva 20mg/ day aromasin 25mg/day daa
Test E is best twice a week = 500
And why run sd? It's your 3rd cycle-just start PCT after last shot on week 12 of test.
Good luck.
Last edited by shortnwide; 01-21-2012 at 10:40 PM. Reason: goof up

I'd agree with what been stated... Test 250 x 2 a wk for total 500mgs...dbol 40-50mgs Ed 4-6 wks
And I'd also consider up the test at wk 8 to 750mgs. I prefer clomid over nolva but to each his own. My pct for this would be clomid 100/100/75/50 aromasin 25/25/12.5/12.5.
Best of luck bro


Dont start pct after last shot. Wait a week or two as test e is in your system for a week. I wouldnt reccomend running sd for two weeks with no test its pointless.


Dath is on point here but one thing I dont see mentioned by anyone is where's the HCG?
I would start HCG @ 250-500 2x wkly starting after the 2nd wk and run it all the way up until PCT starts.
Which in this case IMO would be 14 days after last pin of test.
Do the arimadex@.5mgs EOD and also right up until PCT starts.
Then make the switch to aromasin with your clomid.
IMO you could go a bit lighter on the clomid because your cycle isnt that huge as far as total mgs are concerned.
Like 100/75/50/50.
And the reason you up your test dose near the end is because it begins to have a diminishing effect after 8 weeks but you can prevent that by upping it just a bit.
Some like to add orals at the tail end just like a front kicker but the lay out we described will be just fine.






Yes wait two weeks to start pct.

14 days that sounds better.
Hcg? I don't think of this cycle as a long cycle so I chose not to add it in as it will just add more cost to this cycle, am I wrong in thinking this? I have never used hcg before and have always recovered quite quick.
And i have put aromasin in my pct to help me faster so should be fine with out hcg.
Can I ask how you feel the hcg helps you and have you done cycles with out?


You have a few things to learn there my friend.
#1 aromasin has to be taken every day. Period. It has a very short half life.
Unlike arimadex which has a longer half life and can be taken every other day.
#2 Yes HCG is important. It's best to start it after you'r second week and as I said run it up until PCT starts. (two weeks after you'r last pin of test)
#3 Nolva is not good for PCT, clomid & aromasin is best.
Yes some people still do use nolva in a PCT but IMO you'd be better off just to keep it on hand so IF you have any gyno symptoms while ON cycle you have it on hand.
You said you dont consider this a long cycle? It's 12 weeks thats pretty long IMO.
Unless one was going to run EQ for a 16-20 which is fairly common but for a test only cycle 12 is plenty long enough.
NOW...A explanation about HCG. Whenever you shoot test in your body you'r balls will shut down, period.
By doing HCG throughout cycle @ 250-500 iu's (most prefer 500) you can keep you'r balls plumped up and still producing the small all be it normal amount of testosterone.
Rather than having your balls stay shut down and then have to TRY to begin producing again after cycle this is one less thing you have to over come when trying to recooperate from your 12 weeks of synthetic testosterone injections.
You can come back to natural testosterone production MUCH faster IF you do HCG during cycle and right up until PCT starts.
And yes I have done a few cycles with HCG. I stepped into the dark side near 30 years ago.

Hello mate thanks for the reply, a couple of things you have said I already am aware of like aromasin has to be taken every day which I had put in my first post ( 25mg ed )
but I understand your views on nolva but I have done a just clomid pct and it did not agree with me felt sick, hot flushes and headaches, I get that it is a better way to go but it ant for me.
I am running daa as well which did help with raising test levels in past cycles for me, other people have had different results.
I have taken on board what you have said and have decided to cut the cycle to 10 weeks so the shut down wont be so hard on me.
I am going to see how my cycle goes this time and if I have troubles in that department then I will give hcg ago next time round.
If I was running test/deca/naps/tren for 12 weeks I can understand how impotent HCG would be to the cycle but for now we will see.
Thanks for your help and views on this subject it has got me thinking happy lifting.
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