Over 30% of seized Eurpoean steroids Fake

**heavyiron** · 01-21-2012, 11:42 AM

30 vials of Testosterone were analyzed and 10 of the 30 vials did not contain any Testosterone at all.

Drug Test Anal. 2011 Nov;3(11-12):814-9. doi: 10.1002/dta.373. Epub 2011 Nov 18.

Carbon isotope ratio determination and investigation of seized testosterone preparations.

Forsdahl G, Ostreicher C, Koller M, Gmeiner G.

Source

Doping Control Laboratory, Seibersdorf Labor GmbH, 2444, Seibersdorf, Austria.

Abstract

In the present study, the content of a number of black market testosterone products collected in Austria has been analyzed. Additionally, (13) C/(12) C ratios were measured for testosterone in the products after cleavage of the testosterone ester. The aim was to determine whether some of these products had similar (13) C/(12) C ratios to those normally found for endogenous testosterone, which could prevent a positive isotopic ratio mass spectrometric (IRMS) finding in doping control. Moreover, it was investigated to what extent the preparations contained the masking agent epitestosterone, in order to lower the testosterone/epitestosterone (T/E) ratio in urinary steroid profiles. Out of 30 analyzed products, the declared ingredients differed from the actual content in 10 cases. Epitestosterone, however, could not be found in any of the products. The products displayed δ(13) C(VPDB) values between -23.6 and -29.4‰. For more than half of these products, the values were within a range reported for endogenous urinary steroids. Copyright © 2011 John Wiley & Sons, Ltd.

Copyright © 2011 John Wiley & Sons, Ltd.

PMID:22102298 [PubMed - in process]

**KILLEROFSAINTS** · 01-21-2012, 11:44 AM

these placebos make my butt hurt

**charley** · 01-21-2012, 11:49 AM

.....'your a peeing'...steroids are f*cked.........and whats this about an anal drug test??
Drug Test Anal. 2011 Nov;3(11-12):814-9. doi: 10.1002/dta.373. Epub 2011 Nov 18.

**heavyiron** · 01-21-2012, 12:05 PM

Its an abbreviation for analysis.

**Caz Rad** · 01-21-2012, 12:26 PM

Can you still get busted for selling fakes? Instead of jail time, maybe the penalty should be a public hanging or stoning for anyone passing off fake AAS.

**Imosted** · 01-21-2012, 01:06 PM

hey heavy is this the same bust as AP and BD owner?

**heavyiron** · 01-21-2012, 01:17 PM

Looks like this data was processed late last year. I have no idea what brands were tested.

**shortnwide** · 01-21-2012, 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by Caz Rad

Can you still get busted for selling fakes? Instead of jail time, maybe the penalty should be a public hanging or stoning for anyone passing off fake AAS.

IDK about other countries but in the USA-anything thats sold as a drug is considered one. So they charge you with the crime as such.

**shortnwide** · 01-21-2012, 01:49 PM

Good read Heavyiron. I like Can-Am gear myself.

**bb1129** · 01-21-2012, 01:54 PM

blood work...blood work...blood work

**World-Pharma.org** · 01-21-2012, 02:53 PM

That is stuff that guys sale as replica,etc..low price = low quality...

i hope someday they will order gear from all sources...make lab tests and post it..

then we will all see !!!!

**charley** · 01-22-2012, 02:06 AM

Originally Posted by heavyiron

Its an abbreviation for analysis.

..........yo heavy...........it was supposed to be funny......

and 'your a peeing'[European]............ahhhhhh forget it

**Drew1975** · 01-22-2012, 06:56 AM

Originally Posted by World-Pharma.org

That is stuff that guys sale as replica,etc..low price = low quality...

i hope someday they will order gear from all sources...make lab tests and post it..

then we will all see !!!!

if AP's that good then why dont you....

you have the dolla do it.

im on the last vail of AP test e.. 4ml in vail left out of 7.. fank fck...

the test e it hurts for a week after so i dont no what thet putting in it...the deca and test c dont hurt one bit that stuff..

anyway ive had 70ml NOW of AP gear.. and to me its weak underdosed, or bunk..

Please tell them to put HORMONE in

**bigmoe65** · 01-22-2012, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by Drew1975

if AP's that good then why dont you....

you have the dolla do it.

im on the last vail of AP test e.. 4ml in vail left out of 7.. fank fck...

the test e it hurts for a week after so i dont no what thet putting in it...the deca and test c dont hurt one bit that stuff..

anyway ive had 70ml NOW of AP gear.. and to me its weak underdosed, or bunk..

Please tell them to put HORMONE in

You deserve it for paying those prices.

**heavyiron** · 01-22-2012, 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by Drew1975

if AP's that good then why dont you....

you have the dolla do it.

im on the last vail of AP test e.. 4ml in vail left out of 7.. fank fck...

the test e it hurts for a week after so i dont no what thet putting in it...the deca and test c dont hurt one bit that stuff..

anyway ive had 70ml NOW of AP gear.. and to me its weak underdosed, or bunk..

Please tell them to put HORMONE in

Shoot 200mg of the cyp and get labs 7 days later.

**BP2000** · 01-22-2012, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by heavyiron

Shoot 200mg of the cyp and get labs 7 days later.

What would total T be at day 7?

**heavyiron** · 01-22-2012, 10:55 AM

600-800ng/dl for the average guy. However it must be after at least 4 weeks of being on.

**World-Pharma.org** · 01-22-2012, 12:45 PM

Do blood testing as heavyiron say! its good gear 100% pure ..do lab testing of gear.

**Little Guy** · 01-22-2012, 06:25 PM

Low price = low quality?
I call big bull shit

**Imosted** · 01-22-2012, 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by World-Pharma.org

Do blood testing as heavyiron say! its good gear 100% pure ..do lab testing of gear.

I thought HEAVY already had a lab test while using ASIA pharma and he said it was underdosed...correct me if i am wrong.

**hoyle21** · 01-22-2012, 06:29 PM

Shit got real

**bigrene** · 01-22-2012, 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by Imosted

I thought HEAVY already had a lab test while using ASIA pharma and he said it was underdosed...correct me if i am wrong.

Believe I had read the same thing.

**bigbenj** · 01-22-2012, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by Imosted

I thought HEAVY already had a lab test while using ASIA pharma and he said it was underdosed...correct me if i am wrong.

LOL backfire!

**basskiller** · 01-22-2012, 10:09 PM

is it me or you reading this wrong.. It doesn't say they didn't find any, just that it differed .. This could mean almost anything from being overdosed to underdosed

you can not cleave a testosterone ester if no testosterone is present in the first place

**cg89** · 01-22-2012, 10:28 PM

low price=low quality? How? Look at GP's Lab tests

**malfeasance** · 01-23-2012, 06:28 AM

Originally Posted by basskiller

is it me or you reading this wrong.. It doesn't say they didn't find any, just that it differed .. This could mean almost anything from being overdosed to underdosed

I think you are reading it correctly, except that the negative sign before the percentage means it was underdosed from 23.6 to 29.4%

So taking 800 mg might mean only 600 . . .

**BIGBEN2011** · 01-23-2012, 12:37 PM

[QUOTE=Imosted;2651694]I thought HEAVY already had a lab test while using ASIA pharma and he said it was underdosed...correct me if i am wrong.[/QUOTEi would like to hear more on this please.

**Drew1975** · 01-24-2012, 04:13 AM

Originally Posted by malfeasance

I think you are reading it correctly, except that the negative sign before the percentage means it was underdosed from 23.6 to 29.4%

So taking 800 mg might mean only 600 . . .

dude ide say less then that ..more like 800 would be 400 ( IF 400 ).

ive had 70ml of that stuff test e, test c, and there deca....

i think its very weak gear mate.

**Buff C** · 01-24-2012, 06:13 AM

thats terrible

**heavyiron** · 01-24-2012, 06:22 AM

Originally Posted by basskiller

is it me or you reading this wrong.. It doesn't say they didn't find any, just that it differed .. This could mean almost anything from being overdosed to underdosed

you can not cleave a testosterone ester if no testosterone is present in the first place

All the vials tested were labeled Testosterone so 10 of the vials had zero testosterone in them. Since T is so cheap I imagine there was zero hormone in the vials. I have a hard time believing they would put a more expensive aas product in the vials but it is possible.

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