Thread: "Issues" during PCT

Originally Posted by malfeasance

Testosterone, serum 117 on a scale of 348 to 1197

Ouch!

LH is 0.2 on a scale of 1.7 to 8.6

Ouch!

FSH, serum 0.5 on a scale of 1.5 to 12.4

And

Estradiol 24.1 on a scale of 7.6 to 42.6

yikes. Well, we know why your libido is low.

Also, slightly high hematocrit numbers, but I understand that is normal on cycle.

Originally Posted by exphysiologist88

yikes. Well, we know why your libido is low.

Suggestions?

Originally Posted by malfeasance

Suggestions?

I don't think these numbers are abnormal for only being 2 weeks into your pct. I recently did a pct and after 4 weeks my test was 317. You just need to give it another 4-6 weeks.

I am surprised you estradiol is that high for having such low test and taking 25 mg of aromasin. I had to drop my aromasin a couple weeks into pct because my estradiol was 7. My aromasin was from chemone.

I'm pretty sure most people suffer from piss poor LH/FSH and test levels in week 2 of PCT. I didn't get an increase in libido until 3 weeks post PCT, but I was able to get it up and keep it up throughout PCT. If you're still feeling weak/depressed/losing mass at a considerable rate a few weeks PCT, you might need to stay on the clomid/stane for an extra few weeks then retest.

Just give it time, it's not going to happen over night. Deca is very supressive.

Originally Posted by XYZ

Just give it time, it's not going to happen over night. Deca is very supressive.

Still frustrating.

So, you would just continue on like I am, week three, clomid 75, aromasin 12.5?

Originally Posted by exphysiologist88

I don't think these numbers are abnormal for only being 2 weeks into your pct. I recently did a pct and after 4 weeks my test was 317. You just need to give it another 4-6 weeks.

I am surprised you estradiol is that high for having such low test and taking 25 mg of aromasin. I had to drop my aromasin a couple weeks into pct because my estradiol was 7. My aromasin was from chemone.

exphysiologist88, were your test and LH and FSH numbers this low at 2 weeks? Do you think I should increase the aromasin dosage? I am now in week three at 12.5 daily.

Originally Posted by malfeasance

Still frustrating.

So, you would just continue on like I am, week three, clomid 75, aromasin 12.5?

Not frustrating at all. It is what it is. You feel great on cycle but after (if you're not on TRT) the price you pay evens everything out.

It's just a part of cycling.

Yes, continue on like I previously said and then update labs. Honestly, you're lucky you can function at all (sexually).

Originally Posted by exphysiologist88

A good percentage of Ed is psychological. Worrying about not getting it up can cause it to not go up.

After last years competition season, I ran clomid and had the same ED problems. I think once you have that first "let down" with your girl, it can have a psychological affect on you thinking you're going to have a problem. Even with Cialis, if you think your not going to perform well..it's game over! I just went through 3 months of that shit!

Originally Posted by hypo_glycemic

that first "let down" with your girl, it can have a psychological affect on you thinking you're going to have a problem. Even with Cialis, if you think your not going to perform well..it's game over! I just went through 3 months of that shit!

Oh, please, no, not 3 months!

If you're having trouble for three months, you probably need some libido boosters like melanotan II, ultra male RX, etc. etc. Cialis only treats the ED and isn't going to increase your appetite for sex at all.

Most people start feeling much better a week or two after PCT. Don't ever expect to feel awesome when running clomid.

Originally Posted by malfeasance

exphysiologist88, were your test and LH and FSH numbers this low at 2 weeks? Do you think I should increase the aromasin dosage? I am now in week three at 12.5 daily.

I didn't test anything until week 4 of pct, and my fsh and lh were low, but barely below the reference range.

You've really got to work on not worrying about the ED or it'll make it worse. If you can get it up no problem by yourself, then it's in your head, it's not a physiological problem. I know it's easier said than done.

Originally Posted by malfeasance

Oh, please, no, not 3 months!

Wasn't on PCT for 3 months, but after an during clomid, I had a myriad of issues with test levels and a unability (without Test) to get my libido running again! YES 3 months! Been doing this over 20 years and happens quite frequently with a lot of people- if they want to admit it or not

Originally Posted by pieguy

If you're having trouble for three months, you probably need some libido boosters like melanotan II, ultra male RX, etc. etc. Cialis only treats the ED and isn't going to increase your appetite for sex at all.

Most people start feeling much better a week or two after PCT. Don't ever expect to feel awesome when running clomid.

My wife and I own a supplement store..I was trying yohimbe, tribulus, Stamina RX, Viagra, you name it I was trying! I was so such down. My Dr gave me some Test Gel and that helped out. I didn't want to go back on due to some liver issues.

Originally Posted by exphysiologist88

You've really got to work on not worrying about the ED or it'll make it worse.

She is really pushing hard for sex this evening. I am scared to death!

I'll try to relax and not think about the fact that I have the test levels of a 12 year old girl.

Took a whole ml of Cia, hoping for the best.

She does not know about the cycle, so I have no ready explanation for her on why I went from sex maniac to no interest.

It went fine. A little slow to start (I never dreamed I would be the one needing foreplay while she was the one hopping into bed ready to go), but things went fine after that and again about 4 a.m.

Whew!

My balls feel a little tiny bit bigger than three days ago, too . . . Again, whew!

Starting to get to MUCH info from you bro this isn't the penthouse forums lol

Seriously though Right on brotha glad it's better

Originally Posted by Dath

Starting to get to MUCH info from you bro this isn't the penthouse forums lol

Originally Posted by dath

starting to get to much info from you bro this isn't the penthouse forums lol

seriously though right on brotha glad it's better

lol!

UPDATE: PCT over last week, and still having some issues, not as bad as before, but definitely not my normal self. Very slow to start and frankly not all that interested. She has to really work at it to get me going.

This morning was great! Felt like my old self again. Hopefully this means I am recovering.

Deca and test sure is harder to recover from than just test.

I wonder how not running hcg until end of the cycle affected the whole situation. Happy recovery!!

Originally Posted by K20A2_S

I wonder how not running hcg until end of the cycle affected the whole situation. Happy recovery!!

Me, too, unavoidable problem. HCG kept the balls large through the first half or more of the cycle, and they shrank within a week of ceasing. They are larger now.

I will order more HCG next time, definitely. I just found that the HCG dosage was half what I needed and therefore ran out twice as quickly once I started. I had no prior experience with HCG.

Originally Posted by exphysiologist88

I am surprised you estradiol is that high for having such low test and taking 25 mg of aromasin. I had to drop my aromasin a couple weeks into pct because my estradiol was 7. My aromasin was from chemone.

Well, I think it shows my aromasin was not bunk (CEM). Had it been bunk, the number would have been a LOT higher then 24.

Draw some blood again 1-2 months after PCT is done and see where you're at!

Originally Posted by malfeasance

Well, I think it shows my aromasin was not bunk (CEM). Had it been bunk, the number would have been a LOT higher then 24.

I'm not sure this is true. My understanding is that most of males estrogen comes from the aromatization of test to estradiol. If you have very low test levels, it's difficult to get elevated estradiol levels, especially if taking 25 mg/day of aromasin.

Originally Posted by exphysiologist88

. . . especially if taking 25 mg/day of aromasin.

Adding that last part does not make sense if you thought it was bunk!

Anyway, I was just going off of other poster's blood tests, which show low test and high estrogen during PCT. In fact, I remember another poster who had a very high number, and people here suggested he go to another source. That is why I concluded that mine was working.