I need a cycle that will put it on.

**Boomer182** · 01-29-2012, 06:35 PM

I talked my wife into letting me take a IML cycle, even though I have taken 3 cycles, then taking a legit cycle. I was thinking d bol/ test. I want to put on 20 lbs easily. What would you recommend. I am going to do IML metha drol and phorce, then cycle off for 8 weeks, with clomid. Then I want some real shit. What do you recommend?

**justhav2p** · 01-29-2012, 06:37 PM

stats

age?
weight?
height?
bf?
boner?
years training?

**juggernaut** · 01-29-2012, 06:38 PM

what the hell is "it"?

**juggernaut** · 01-29-2012, 06:38 PM

Stats would be helpful.

**Boomer182** · 01-29-2012, 06:40 PM

26 years old
13% BF
6"0
210 lbs
NP with a boner
13 years of lifting

**juggernaut** · 01-29-2012, 06:41 PM

Cut first, bulk second.

**Boomer182** · 01-29-2012, 07:35 PM

I don't want to cut. I want to bulk...

**juggernaut** · 01-29-2012, 07:48 PM

You will get better gans if you cut first

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**GreatWhiteTruth** · 01-29-2012, 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by juggernaut

Cut first, bulk second.

Originally Posted by Boomer182

I don't want to cut. I want to bulk...

If you are truly 13% then I don't see huge problem with starting to bulk. My last bulk I started bulking at 12%. Trust me though, it would be beneficial (in more ways than one) to get as lean as possible before starting a true bulk. I'm sure this is why juggernaut made the recommendation.

**GreatWhiteTruth** · 01-29-2012, 08:00 PM

Originally Posted by juggernaut

You will get better gans if you cut first

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See, already ahead of me lol.

**OldSchoolLifter** · 01-30-2012, 09:11 AM

this could help

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**GMO** · 01-30-2012, 09:26 AM

You can'y beat a Test/Deca/Dbol cycle for pure mass.

**swollen** · 01-30-2012, 09:50 AM

Originally Posted by GMO

You can'y beat a Test/Deca/Dbol cycle for pure mass.

Soo BIG TRUE! Gotta be the best mass gaining cycles. Done right, you can put on 20-30 pounds easy..

**XYZ** · 01-30-2012, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by GMO

You can'y beat a Test/Deca/Dbol cycle for pure mass.

This and a TON of food.

**Boomer182** · 01-30-2012, 12:27 PM

I am at 215, not fat, but not extremely big. Should I drop down to 200 before I start bulking, or is lets say 235/245 too big for a 6"0 person?

**juggernaut** · 01-30-2012, 12:34 PM

Yes. It will only mean better gains, not as much fat, and if you plan on bulking, in the true old school sense of juiced bulking, you'll eat and retain more muscle-better calorie partitioning. I wouldn't cut much, just get to 9 or 10%. the more, the better. Just cut wisely, then start. I don't necessarily agree that you need test with the other additions. You'll get great gains with straight test enth twice weekly 250mg x 2.

**GMO** · 01-30-2012, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by Boomer182

I am at 215, not fat, but not extremely big. Should I drop down to 200 before I start bulking, or is lets say 235/245 too big for a 6"0 person?

Depends on your BF% brother...

6'0" 235 at 12% isn't bad, but if your in the 18+%, then yeah...not good.

**Boomer182** · 01-30-2012, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by juggernaut

Yes. It will only mean better gains, not as much fat, and if you plan on bulking, in the true old school sense of juiced bulking, you'll eat and retain more muscle-better calorie partitioning. I wouldn't cut much, just get to 9 or 10%. the more, the better. Just cut wisely, then start. I don't necessarily agree that you need test with the other additions. You'll get great gains with straight test enth twice weekly 250mg x 2.

Originally Posted by GMO

Depends on your BF% brother...

6'0" 235 at 12% isn't bad, but if your in the 18+%, then yeah...not good.

As I sit right now, I am starting to see my veins in my arms, I have never bulked, I have always liked being skinny, but the older I get the more I want to be big. I have been as low as 8% but that meant me going to 165 to achieve it. I don't wan't to have to go that low. I bet I could get to 10% and still be around 200-205. I think, I will cut for the next month, while doing methadrol extreme. Ill try and add a little more muscle, but Ill get my BF down with more cardio.

**juggernaut** · 01-30-2012, 12:52 PM

Methadrol I wouldnt suggest on a cut, but haladrol extreme I would. Less water retention and drier gains.

**Boomer182** · 01-30-2012, 01:09 PM

Crap, I wish I would have known, my wife would give me the green light to do this, before ordering methadrol...

**GMO** · 01-30-2012, 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by Boomer182

Crap, I wish I would have known, my wife would give me the green light to do this, before ordering methadrol...

If you are truly 13% BF, you are fine to bulk and you can use the methadrol. That stuff will put weight on you as well. Here is how I would run that cycle:

Wk 1-12 Test E 600mg/wk
Wk 1-4 Methadrol 2 caps ED
Wk 1-10 Deca 400mg/wk
WK 9-13 Dbol 30-40mg ED
Wk 1-14 Adex 0.5mg eod
Wk 1-12 Hcg 500iu x2/wk
Wk 1-10 Cabergoline 0.5mg e3d

PCT:

Clomid 100/100/75/50
Aromasin 25/25/12.5/12.5

This way you will get a kick start with the methadrol which will put a good amount of weight on right off the bat. Then when you start the dbol, you will be taking advantage of the synergy between the dbol, deca and test, which is amazing.

**Boomer182** · 01-30-2012, 01:56 PM

That sounds like a really good stack. Have you ran this cycle?

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