BEST/Proper way to cut on cycle?

**squigader** · 01-31-2012, 09:31 AM

As the title says, what's the best way to cut when you're on a cycle? Just curiosity (not cycling myself), if you're on just test and somewhere around 14% and want to really cut down to something like 8-9%.

What should calorie intake (deficit?) and macros look like (on workout and non-workout days)

Is cardio part of the solution? Clen?

How many days a week to lifting? Can you still put on size when cutting with test?

**njc** · 01-31-2012, 09:37 AM

Use the same principles that you would in cutting without gear. It's just that you can factor in less muscle loss into the equation when you plan things out.

Putting on size while cutting with just test could be tricky.

**Eiserner Hahn** · 01-31-2012, 09:38 AM

Cardio was big part on my cutting full court basketball did more for me than machines

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**njc** · 01-31-2012, 09:39 AM

I would DEFENITELY throw peptides into the mix if I were you.

**GMO** · 01-31-2012, 10:07 AM

T3, glycogen depletion with a refeed on the weekend. Cals well below maintenance...

And yes cardio...lots of it. I prefer HIIT b/c it is muscle sparing and burns a great deal of calories.

If you are running a serious cut, then no you will not gain ANY size. I am cutting to 6% and have lost nearly 15lbs in the last three weeks. Thanks to the anabolics I am running though, very little muscle has been lost.

**pieguy** · 01-31-2012, 10:11 AM

T3, ECA, carb cycling, low dose AAS and cardio till you can't stand the sight of a step mill seems to do the trick. Most people cut cals too heavily early on. I'd say 200-300 below maintenance and add cardio to start it off.

**squigader** · 01-31-2012, 06:09 PM

Thanks for the suggestions everyone, keep them coming!

Originally Posted by GMO

T3, glycogen depletion with a refeed on the weekend. Cals well below maintenance...

And yes cardio...lots of it. I prefer HIIT b/c it is muscle sparing and burns a great deal of calories.

If you are running a serious cut, then no you will not gain ANY size. I am cutting to 6% and have lost nearly 15lbs in the last three weeks. Thanks to the anabolics I am running though, very little muscle has been lost.

6%? Good luck, that's intense! That last 2% is the hardest.

Question - how about if one bulks for the first half of a long cycle, then spends the second half cutting? Same procedure? Muscle gained during the cycle should be preserved at a not-drastic deficit, right?

**pieguy** · 01-31-2012, 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by squigader

Thanks for the suggestions everyone, keep them coming!

6%? Good luck, that's intense! That last 2% is the hardest.

Question - how about if one bulks for the first half of a long cycle, then spends the second half cutting? Same procedure? Muscle gained during the cycle should be preserved at a not-drastic deficit, right?

I believe Victor said something about how he preferred this method starting with test + NPP for 8 weeks and then test+tren for 8 weeks following to cut. Maybe search his post out for his methodology.

**pebble** · 01-31-2012, 09:34 PM

Originally Posted by GMO

T3, glycogen depletion with a refeed on the weekend. Cals well below maintenance...

And yes cardio...lots of it. I prefer HIIT b/c it is muscle sparing and burns a great deal of calories.

If you are running a serious cut, then no you will not gain ANY size. I am cutting to 6% and have lost nearly 15lbs in the last three weeks. Thanks to the anabolics I am running though, very little muscle has been lost.

Since when does higher intensity exercise result in less muscle tissue breakdown? It results in more. Check an respiratory gas exchange, myglobin plasma levels or do a muscle biopsy after HIIT compared to Low intensity steady state and and you would find out you are very wrong. Look at RERs or the plasma level of myoglobin. You will see that HIIT results in a higher RER and higher levels of plasma myoglobin suggesting that there was more tissue damage (confirmed by myoglobin) and more likely for muscle protein breakdown (based on RER) because you have exhausted your glucose source - especially when doing a low CHO diet.

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