Thread: start of week 2 of cycle

Dmz is definatly the reason for the fast weight and strength gain.

I am 6 weeks in to my 12week cycle and plan to run DMZ as a finisher. How long until the DMZ kicked in? Sounds like your cycle is going great bro....good luck

DMZ is amazing but it made me pissed off all the time too. It wasn't too bad most of the time but I could see it being a problem if you have a short temper. It made for excellent motivation though lol.

Well, not that I'm all that experienced with cycles, but I have done a few. The ONLY time I ever felt like real crap was when my estrogen got a bit out of control. I didn't have ANY physical symptoms people talk about (gyno type things like puffy nipples or sensitive nipples, etc.). I only had this really bad mood. Little things just pissed me off. It hit me that maybe my anastrozole dosage was too low. Kicked that up and within a week was feeling MUCH better. No idea if that might be the situation with you. With the amount of Test you're taking, I imagine 1mg anastrozole ed should be adequate? I was only on 300mg Test cyp/week, 200mg Deca/week, 25 mg Winstrol/eod, but was told to only take .25mg anastrozole 2 times/week. That was just not enough. I initially kicked it up to every day for that week I had the mood issues, and that leveled me out. After that I just did .25mg Anastrozole 3 times/week, and that seemed to work great for me. Just like "Rage Racing"'s quote says, "Estrogen is from Satan". I don't know how women deal with that shit. It will really mess up a man, that's for sure.

Mast makes me super aggressive.

SDMZ makes me f'ing strong. Add Test to the mix and you have a sick cycle.

Originally Posted by rage racing

I am 6 weeks in to my 12week cycle and plan to run DMZ as a finisher. How long until the DMZ kicked in? Sounds like your cycle is going great bro....good luck

no bullshit i swear i felt the dmz kick in about 2 days later. at least thats when i noticed a difference i started it on tuesday and on thursday i did shoulders and had the most amazing pump lol and from that day on i been feeling all pumped up

Originally Posted by KrfBB

Well, not that I'm all that experienced with cycles, but I have done a few. The ONLY time I ever felt like real crap was when my estrogen got a bit out of control. I didn't have ANY physical symptoms people talk about (gyno type things like puffy nipples or sensitive nipples, etc.). I only had this really bad mood. Little things just pissed me off. It hit me that maybe my anastrozole dosage was too low. Kicked that up and within a week was feeling MUCH better. No idea if that might be the situation with you. With the amount of Test you're taking, I imagine 1mg anastrozole ed should be adequate? I was only on 300mg Test cyp/week, 200mg Deca/week, 25 mg Winstrol/eod, but was told to only take .25mg anastrozole 2 times/week. That was just not enough. I initially kicked it up to every day for that week I had the mood issues, and that leveled me out. After that I just did .25mg Anastrozole 3 times/week, and that seemed to work great for me. Just like "Rage Racing"'s quote says, "Estrogen is from Satan". I don't know how women deal with that shit. It will really mess up a man, that's for sure.

i still havent gotten any anastrozole, my source didnt have it at the time he just told me if i start gettin gyno to take some nolva

I'm on metha-drol right now and i also felt it kick in about 3 days. I'm only 6 days in right now and all of my lifts have gone up by atleast 5lbs and i went from 205 to 210.

Originally Posted by smf66

i still havent gotten any anastrozole, my source didnt have it at the time he just told me if i start gettin gyno to take some nolva

As people have probably pointed out on these forums, we're all different in terms of our responses to various "performance enhancing drugs". I found out, that although I don't get symptoms of gyno when my estrogen levels get high, I definitely get moody as hell (think wife/girlfriend having a REALLY bad monthly/PMS). So an aromatase inhibitor like anastrozole is a MUST for me. Nolva only targets the receptors, especially in the breast tissue, so you can combat gyno. But Nolva/Tamoxifen does nothing to prevent your Test from aromatizing into estrogen. If you find yourself getting emotional, more so than normal, make sure you get an aromatase inhibitor like anastrozole. Of course there are others (latrozole (sp?), and Proviron, etc.), but I'm most familiar with anastrozole (it's the only one I've ever personally taken). So watch not only for those physical gyno-like symptoms, but the emotional ones as well for that estrogen getting too high.

Best of luck! And keep us posted on your cycle. Sounds like it should be a great one in terms of gains.

Originally Posted by KrfBB

As people have probably pointed out on these forums, we're all different in terms of our responses to various "performance enhancing drugs". I found out, that although I don't get symptoms of gyno when my estrogen levels get high, I definitely get moody as hell (think wife/girlfriend having a REALLY bad monthly/PMS). So an aromatase inhibitor like anastrozole is a MUST for me. Nolva only targets the receptors, especially in the breast tissue, so you can combat gyno. But Nolva/Tamoxifen does nothing to prevent your Test from aromatizing into estrogen. If you find yourself getting emotional, more so than normal, make sure you get an aromatase inhibitor like anastrozole. Of course there are others (latrozole (sp?), and Proviron, etc.), but I'm most familiar with anastrozole (it's the only one I've ever personally taken). So watch not only for those physical gyno-like symptoms, but the emotional ones as well for that estrogen getting too high.

Best of luck! And keep us posted on your cycle. Sounds like it should be a great one in terms of gains.

Proviron is NOT an AI. It has some properties of an AI but is not a substitute for a real AI (Adex, Aromasin etc.)

Sounds like you are holding a TON of water. Might want to get you AI in check.

Originally Posted by rage racing

Proviron is NOT an AI. It has some properties of an AI but is not a substitute for a real AI (Adex, Aromasin etc.)

^^^This x1000

Damn people...come on! Proviron is a steroid, not an ai. You need to run 0.5mg of Adex eod, even when on Proviron if you are running any sort of aromatizing compound.

Originally Posted by heavyiron

Mast makes me super aggressive.

SDMZ makes me f'ing strong. Add Test to the mix and you have a sick cycle.

HEavy, so would you say that is a recommendation? Would taking SDMZ be a better alternative to say taking, Hmmm, an AAS oral OR an injectable like primo or Winny

Originally Posted by rage racing

Proviron is NOT an AI. It has some properties of an AI but is not a substitute for a real AI (Adex, Aromasin etc.)

Sorry if I misled there. As mentioned, I've only ever used anastrozole for my AI, so it's what I'm familiar with. I got the impression that Proviron could act as an AI as I read this from a description of Proviron:

"Among athletes Provironum is primarily used as an anti-estrogen. It is believed to act as an anti-aromatase in the body, preventing or slowing the conversion of steroids into estrogen. The result is somewhat comparable to Arimidex (though less profound), the drug acting to prevent the buildup of estrogen in the body."

So that description could be very misleading to someone considering it's usage as an AI. I won't say exactly where that quote came from (in this public forum), but let's just say it's on a supplier's website... ouch.

BTW, a little research seems to have supported the notion that Proviron is an anti-aromatase and can be effective at reducing test to estrogen conversion. Certainly not as effective as anastrozole, but it can be used for that purpose. I would probably use it stacked with test to bind to SHBG and create more free test. That seems to be it's best use. On World Class BodyBuilding's forums, they have a forum entitled "Anti-Estrogen Profiles" and Proviron is 4th on the list. So I wasn't COMPLETELY out of line by mentioning it for that purpose.

Arimidex has only been around since about 1996 (at least FDA approved that is), so the Old-Schoolers were using SOMETHING. I'm no spring-chicken and I can remember guys in the 80's talking about stacking proviron to keep estrogen in check. With that said, get some anastrozole.