Thread: Endocrinology

If your tryin to get on TRT, don't do a PCT and finish the cycle closer to the endo doc appt date...I would say end it 1-2 wks before the actual appt

But you will probably feel like shit after you come off tho..

Originally Posted by bulldogz

If your tryin to get on TRT, don't do a PCT and finish the cycle closer to the endo doc appt date...I would say end it 1-2 wks before the actual appt

But you will probably feel like shit after you come off tho..

Perfect advice. Make sure you mention things like you find yourself lethargic blah blah.

Well, if you really want to have your endogenous test "in the ditch" for your bloodwork, don't even do PCT since PCT that will bring your test levels back up again. End your cycle at least 3 weeks before your bloodwork. You should be at a pretty low point when they draw blood.

After the first cycle I ever did, I did the prescribed PCT (prescribed from an HRT doc BTW), and then went in about 4 weeks later (after PCT ended) to get my bloodwork done. My overall test was at 196! My baseline before cycle was 585. So I obviously needed better PCT. If you decide to do PCT before your appointment, you should have a couple weeks from the end of your PCT to your blood draw, IMO. Good luck!

You mean end the cycle 1 week ahead of the blood test, take the blood test and then go on pct??

ive been on hrt now for over 2 years, and i have manipulated many test so i could stay on the shit, if i was you, id do nothing, you want your test level to be the lowest you can get it, so you can get ya shit. i did methadone for little over a month and my test level was 138, ive been on 400 to 600 mgs ever since, and when you retest, stay off so the level drops, i would not do anything to bring them levels up if im trying to get a script. good luck to you.

and if you do get it, it could last a long time, i would do hcg on some type of schedule so you dont get shut down, im shut down. to many years staying on, ive been doing pct now for three months and im still off.

Originally Posted by jwl

You mean end the cycle 1 week ahead of the blood test, take the blood test and then go on pct??

You should end the cycle at least a couple weeks before your appointment because the artificial test you're taking will make you appear to have more test than normal. So you want that to clear your system, but your own test to still be suppressed. That way your test numbers should be low (overall and free). If you start PCT, your own test production will start going again and bring your numbers up. Do the PCT after your appointment, but stop your cycle at least a couple weeks before the blood draw. HTH.

Originally Posted by jwl

You mean end the cycle 1 week ahead of the blood test, take the blood test and then go on pct??

What he means is that if your goal is to be placed on prescribed TRT then doing PCT is moot. If you are put on TRT you will not ever be doing a PCT. That's why it is a big decision to make.

You would only do the PCT after the appointment if the doctor denies you TRT.

Originally Posted by jwl

You mean end the cycle 1 week ahead of the blood test, take the blood test and then go on pct??

Yes, but the PCT depends if your endo wants to do more bloods after your first draw...

I would wait to see what the endo says after the first set of bloods to see if he/she wants more bloods or not, if no more bloods...then yes...do PCT

TwisT is right...tell them you have no sex drive, always tired, etc..

And as KU said....this is a life long decision...

Good luck brotha!

Originally Posted by KrfBB

You should end the cycle at least a couple weeks before your appointment because the artificial test you're taking will make you appear to have more test than normal. So you want that to clear your system, but your own test to still be suppressed. That way your test numbers should be low (overall and free). If you start PCT, your own test production will start going again and bring your numbers up. Do the PCT after your appointment, but stop your cycle at least a couple weeks before the blood draw. HTH.

Hdrol is not artifical test...it will not convert to testosterone at all...

Originally Posted by bulldogz

Hdrol is not artifical test...it will not convert to testosterone at all...

Oh, ok. That's good to know. Will it suppress your own test production? In his case, I would think that would help. If it isn't, maybe he should find something that will.

All good information here. Thanks guys. A little confused on the last post regarding Hdrol and test.

Originally Posted by KrfBB

Oh, ok. That's good to know. Will it suppress your own test production? In his case, I would think that would help. If it isn't, maybe he should find something that will.

Yes, hdrol will supress your own natural test..like many other prohormones out there...

Only thing that will raise testosterone levels is, well.....testosterone!

Hdrol cycle will be good enough with no PCT to try and get on TRT

Originally Posted by jwl

All good information here. Thanks guys. A little confused on the last post regarding Hdrol and test.

Hrdol is not testosterone and will not convert...you will surpess your own natural test level with hdrol or any other prohormone at that..

After reading all this it has got me thinking...should i try and go on TRT?? My first thought was yes, free testosterone, the other side of the coin is that if i go on i will always need it.

How bad would it be to not start pct for a month??

Originally Posted by bulldogz

Yes, hdrol will supress your own natural test..like many other prohormones out there...

Only thing that will raise testosterone levels is, well.....testosterone!

Bulldogz, I'm a little confused by your statement. There are prohormones specifically designed to convert to testosterone in the body by way of certain enzymes.

"A typical prohormone is intended to be a precursor of an anabolic steroid like testosterone, which is taken in order to boost the body’s available hormone supply. These precursors are intended to be converted to full, active hormones via an enzymatic process that occurs during metabolism, typically resulting in the addition of whichever atoms happen to be missing from the chemical structure of the compound."

So 4-AD is an example of a prohormone that the body will convert to testosterone, thus I would think, raise the level of testosterone in the body and would show a higher level when a blood test is performed.

Originally Posted by jwl

After reading all this it has got me thinking...should i try and go on TRT?? My first thought was yes, free testosterone, the other side of the coin is that if i go on i will always need it.

jwl, are you sure about this? I've done physician directed HRT (not free of course) and I cycle on and off. They are 20 week cycles and I can go back on cycle immediately after PCT if I want AND, more importantly, can afford it. I've actually been off for more than 6 months. If you do proper PCT, your endogenous test levels should return to normal. TRT might be different, so I might be off base and just not understand. I'm 43 and have been doing HRT cycles since I turned 40.

As for PCT, if you don't do PCT, your normal test levels will take longer to come back to normal, and thus your gains on cycle will likely be lost. But if your goal is to get TRT, then you want your test levels to be low.

Originally Posted by jwl

How bad would it be to not start pct for a month??

Well...you will recover but it will take a long time for your natural T levels to get back into range which means you might lose your newly found muscles..

Originally Posted by KrfBB

Bulldogz, I'm a little confused by your statement. There are prohormones specifically designed to convert to testosterone in the body by way of certain enzymes.

"A typical prohormone is intended to be a precursor of an anabolic steroid like testosterone, which is taken in order to boost the body’s available hormone supply. These precursors are intended to be converted to full, active hormones via an enzymatic process that occurs during metabolism, typically resulting in the addition of whichever atoms happen to be missing from the chemical structure of the compound."

So 4-AD is an example of a prohormone that the body will convert to testosterone, thus I would think, raise the level of testosterone in the body and would show a higher level when a blood test is performed.

The original 4AD (4-androstenediol) was/is the exception (if you can find it) since it did convert to test at a certain percentage...

1AD/4AD....those were the good old days