Thread: Pathologist Blames Anabolic Steroids for Acute Heart Failure

why not tell us the compounds found? he probably injected intravenously

I really have no way to refute this man's iron-clad professional opinion. As we all know, instant death is an extraordinarily common result of steroid use by young men who have no congenital defects or otherwise preexisting medical conditions, and who administer the drug properly, in a safe environment using sterile equipment. Here, let me find a case real quick ....

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Okay um... I, uh ... I think my google is broken but, uh ... Yeah as I was saying, science and whatnot has proven time and again that psilocybin mushrooms burn holes right through your brain and -- oh woops, wrong pseudoscience scare tactic. I meant to use that in another browser window.

In all seriousness, I don't think this doctor understands the most fundamental characteristics of the scientific method. The purpose is to take every step necessary to prove your hypothesis incorrect, and if it endures that type of immense scrutiny, then conclusions can be drawn in support of your hypothesis. This man, however, seems to have examined the dead patient with a well-established inclination in opposition to anabolic steroid use, thus dismissing any possibilities other than AAS use, and opting to jump straight for a conclusion.

Was the boy naturally hypertensive?
IDK, but it was steroids.

Did the boy have a family history of heart problems on either side of the family?
Didn't ask, but it was steroids.

Did the boy take any other drugs, or drink?
Yeah he took STEROIDS, it was STEROIDS!!!

Well now hold on, what other lifestyle factors are we looking at? Did he --
STFU! IT WAS STEROIDS! STEROIDS ARE BAD, MKAY?!

Clearly. So it would be horribly unethical for you or your colleagues to utilize them in your respective practices, correct?
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Here we go again

Awww lawd.. sometimes even professionals aren't professional. I never take anything like this that I read to heart..it will never change my views on using AAS. It's always a mixed review and I never see any science to back up these claims, it always seems to be, here say or I suspect.
I'm just gonna keep doing me and keep running gear, cuz I just have that who gives a fuck atitude when it comes to things like this.

sounds like he was facing some criminal charge and committed suicide and they are trying to redirect attention away from that and say it was steriods.

Originally Posted by heckler7

sounds like he was facing some criminal charge and committed suicide and they are trying to redirect attention away from that and say it was steriods.

That has not been proven, and we must adhere to the proper autopsy protocol of assuming all deaths are the result of anabolic steroid use by sheer default, until proven otherwise. Hell, it's been like 18 years and I still haven't heard back from the Seattle Police Department regarding the steroid-related death of that juiced up roid-raging gorilla Kurt Cobain.

Also, Dick Clark. I have no reason to believe he wasn't pumped full of gear.

Originally Posted by teezhay

That has not been proven, and we must adhere to the proper autopsy protocol of assuming all deaths are the result of anabolic steroid use by sheer default, until proven otherwise. Hell, it's been like 18 years and I still haven't heard back from the Seattle Police Department regarding the steroid-related death of that juiced up roid-raging gorilla Kurt Cobain.

Also, Dick Clark. I have no reason to believe he wasn't pumped full of gear.

lol, yes I also heard Dick Clark was a mad juice head

it is well known fact that steroids can cause heart failure and cardiac problems ..some can tolerate it longer than others ..i know personally of a young athlete who died at 24 and the medical examination proved that the cause of his death was cardiac failure with problems in the aorta and other symptoms that were due to steroids use...he had no problems at all 3 years earlier, he was a semi pro basket ball player , pretty muscular and very strong. his medical records showed no problems at first ..yet as he started using steroids heavily he died 3 years later..it was in the local news and all his friends and team mates know it and many of them were juicing and got scared..one of them was my student....
I know another bodybuilding national champion and can give you his name (but i don't like to for respect for him) is rigth now at this moment in the hospital awaiting heart transplant and he himself admits that the reason was: steroids.
You can have many many examples of pro bodybuilders who all died young from heart failure..while bodybuilding is supposed to be good for your heart and health..if done naturally

Originally Posted by Prince

The news about the dangers of buying steroids over the internet conveniently comes right before British steroid law changes to make it illegal for Britains to buy steroids over the internet. The British government plans to follow recommendations made by the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs (ACMD) and ban the personal importation of anabolic steroids via the internet and mail in the very near future. This will most likely occur before the London Olympics begin.

Wait wait wait. So technically, It's legal to buy steroids online in the UK?? what?!

also the industry of steroids has become so big that you cannot tell the difference between the real stuff and the fake counterfeited one...if i want to use steroids i would make sure i get the real stuff ..and the only way today to make 100% sure is to buy it from a pharmacy or the main manufacturer which can be very hard ...and the worst way is to try it on yourself to see if it is real or not....your body is not a lab and you are not experimental rats to try things....well good luck and tough luck if i spoiled it for you...just stay clean, go to the gym and train properly and learn to admit who you are no matter how small you are and work on improving yourself that is the best choice

meanwhile, like 29829 people died from Tylenol overdose today. Another 92982 from smoking cigs. and another 298298 from eating hydrogenated fats. (im exaggerating the numbers but you get the idea)

http://www.emaxhealth.com/1020/80/35...-uncommon.html

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athletic_heart_syndrome

http://www.edulife.com.br/dados%5CAr...;s%20Heart.pdf

https://www.thieme-connect.com/ejour.../s-2007-972915

Originally Posted by TJTJ

Wait wait wait. So technically, It's legal to buy steroids online in the UK?? what?!

of course but not for long because of the olympics, as soon as theyre over im sure the laws will be relaxed again

Originally Posted by bjg

it is well known fact that steroids can cause heart failure and cardiac problems ..some can tolerate it longer than others ..i know personally of a young athlete who died at 24 and the medical examination proved that the cause of his death was cardiac failure with problems in the aorta and other symptoms that were due to steroids use...he had no problems at all 3 years earlier, he was a semi pro basket ball player , pretty muscular and very strong. his medical records showed no problems at first ..yet as he started using steroids heavily he died 3 years later..it was in the local news and all his friends and team mates know it and many of them were juicing and got scared..one of them was my student....
I know another bodybuilding national champion and can give you his name (but i don't like to for respect for him) is rigth now at this moment in the hospital awaiting heart transplant and he himself admits that the reason was: steroids.
You can have many many examples of pro bodybuilders who all died young from heart failure..while bodybuilding is supposed to be good for your heart and health..if done naturally

How is it well known? I haven't seen anything on it. I've seen tons showing low testosterone is the death sentence though.

Low Testosterone Linked to Heart Disease

Testosterone May Raise Heart Disease Risk - Heart Disease and Other Cardiovascular Conditions on MedicineNet.com

Testosterone and the heart - Harvard Health Publications

Testosterone supplements may help heart failure patients / American Heart Association

The study was conducted by the Wallenberg Laboratory for Cardiovascular Research in Sweden and led by Ana Tivesten from Sahlgrenska University Hospital. Researchers followed 2,400 elderly men in their 70s and 80s for five years. They measured testosterone levels in the men and broke them down based on their testosterone levels. The upper range consisted of 606 men and the lower range consisted of 604 men.
In following these men for five years, 16 percent of the men in the upper range suffered from a heart attack, stroke or severe chest pain compared to 21 percent of those in the low testosterone range. Lower testosterone levels are often a marker of other medical conditions that can contribute to cardiac risk. The researchers took into consideration a number of different factors including weight, blood pressure and diabetes, but in the end, the men with the higher levels of testosterone still showed a 30 percent lower risk of stroke or heart disease than the remaining members of the study participants.


Testosterone Supplementation in Heart Failure: A Meta-Analysis

BF hammer low testosterone and high testosterone has nothing to do with steroids ..it is very misleading for regular people to read medical articles....totally different......low or high testosterone talked about here are all normal ranges ..in fact upper normal ranges will increase risk of heart disease but still this is insignificant lower or higher risk ....the differences here are very insignificant and they only talk about risks ..and for people in their 80's......Do not make any analogies with cycling with steroids..there are none.
when you cycle with steroids your levels of testosterone are so many times higher than normal ( lynford christie the sprinter had levels 100 times or more than normal) and it is not only that ...it is the changes in the arteries and cardiac muscles and other changes that will cause hear failure ....DO NOT read medical articles if you are not a specialist ..it is VERY misleading
FACT: using steroids to build muscles = Heart failure for some it is faster than the others...end of story ......go ask any endocrinologist or cardiologist and come back argue with me .

Originally Posted by bjg

BF hammer low testosterone and high testosterone has nothing to do with steroids ..it is very misleading for regular people to read medical articles....totally different......low or high testosterone talked about here are all normal ranges ..in fact upper normal ranges will increase risk of heart disease but still this is insignificant lower or higher risk ....the differences here are very insignificant and they only talk about risks ..and for people in their 80's......Do not make any analogies with cycling with steroids..there are none.
when you cycle with steroids your levels of testosterone are so many times higher than normal ( lynford christie the sprinter had levels 100 times or more than normal) and it is not only that ...it is the changes in the arteries and cardiac muscles and other changes that will cause hear failure ....DO NOT read medical articles if you are not a specialist ..it is VERY misleading
FACT: using steroids to build muscles = Heart failure for some it is faster than the others...end of story ......go ask any endocrinologist or cardiologist and come back argue with me .

I read the first sentence and was going to rep you. Then I saw:
1. You are cherry picking from a minority of literature to support your point.
2. You are being elitist.
3. You are being absolutist and misleading

Either you are an expert or you are breaking your own rules. If you are an expert and a teacher, as you seem to convey, then educate rather than use these silly tactics. You should be able to convey what damage occurs, cite case reports, and reference studies to support your claims. i could probably support your claim that AAS can increase the chances of some types of heart disease. In fact, having been in sport for 35 years, I have seen it on many occasions. The problem with anti- and pro-steroid advocates is the bias that channels into their opinions. It is more helpful to these younger guys to relate the fact that risk of these organ diseases increase with level of abuse rather than make blanket statements to the effect that heart disease in inevitable and that it's simply the rate to disease that is the difference.

Glycomman here is the deal: either you are really obsessed of getting bigger and bigger then you will do AAS all your life and reach the abuse state and you will face risks of hear and health problems and in the end you will lose everything and end up with bad health ..but you will have looked big for a while
or you take little AAS and you don't abuse it, then the results you obtain can always be done without AAS, since i think a little experience ( few years) will make you learn about your body and will teach you how to improve your training and what really suits your body. of course we give advice etc..and that is good but what is better is that you have to learn yourself through years of training and experimenting ....Experience in bb cannot beat that! unfortunately many young guys just don't have the patience to learn and start juicing early on and will never be able to learn about their body ...this is why with time their progress will be limited and all what they can do is increase the dose of AAS

Originally Posted by bjg

Glycomman here is the deal: either you are really obsessed of getting bigger and bigger then you will do AAS all your life and reach the abuse state and you will face risks of hear and health problems and in the end you will lose everything and end up with bad health ..but you will have looked big for a while
or you take little AAS and you don't abuse it, then the results you obtain can always be done without AAS, since i think a little experience ( few years) will make you learn about your body and will teach you how to improve your training and what really suits your body. of course we give advice etc..and that is good but what is better is that you have to learn yourself through years of training and experimenting ....Experience in bb cannot beat that! unfortunately many young guys just don't have the patience to learn and start juicing early on and will never be able to learn about their body ...this is why with time their progress will be limited and all what they can do is increase the dose of AAS

Good points