Fina and Test

daddy1122 · 03-23-2003, 12:55 PM

I am thinking about running Fina and Test for 10wks instead of deca and test eow. i am thinking about running fine 75mg ed, and test 250mg/wk. just to let you guys know i am 17 but got checked out and my plates have sealed and i am not going to grow anymore, i will take my chances with shortening growths in other areas like shoulders and that shit. i have around 3 yrs expierence with wieght lifting and am dedicated. just wanted to know what you guys think about this.

and oh yea then for post-cycle day one:100mg of clomid, day 2: 50mg and then 25 for the rest of the 2wks

What kind of gains should i expect, sides, and how much should i keep, with a good training program and 3500+ calories a day, 190g+ protein day.

cornfed · 03-24-2003, 10:42 AM

wait a few years... your hpta will be shit after 10wks of fina and then w/ test

gains, probably good. sides... no kids... jacked hpta...... anyone else care to add?

**Mudge** · 03-24-2003, 03:55 PM

I dont know anyone that I can recall coming across, who ever ran Fina for more than 6 weeks, just something to keep in mind. Until your a 'doctor' or want to play Dan Duchaine, I'd pretty much stick to what others are doing.

What do you mean Deca/Test EOW? Was that a typo?

cornfed · 03-24-2003, 04:45 PM

I know some that've gone 14wk, but it was hpta hell and took 4mo to get test back to equilibrium

**Mudge** · 03-24-2003, 07:24 PM

Alot of folks start feeling "different" even after 4 weeks.

As for your diet, 190g of protein is nothing, I peaked at 520g per day, normally I am 360 per day. I dont believe that 1g per pound is enough, but that is just what my experience tells me. Fitness models intake more than that usually.

crackerjack414 · 03-25-2003, 01:48 PM

well tren for 10 weeks is way to long. being your young and its your first cycle u shouldn't be playing with tren yet u can do well with jst 250mg of test a week with some dbol. As for protein i agrea with mudge completly I didnt realy start getting insane gains till my protein intake was over 450g a day

**Mudge** · 03-26-2003, 03:46 AM

Even naturally my body hit a stopping point with protein intake, so I had to keep upping it.... I'm a white guy and genetics are not the same for everyone but my exp is 1.5g per day + even for retention.

daddy1122 · 03-26-2003, 11:25 AM

Ya, that was pretty stupid of me thinking about doing a Fina/Test cycle, but like i said i wanted a hard look. However, after talking to my uncle he told me that i will hold no water and i will look hard and not watery. so i am going to go with my original plan for my first cycle (i am in HS and can't make it to obvious) which is QV Deca300. Running 300mg for the first 5 wks and then kickit up to a 1.5cc's til about wk 7 and then back down to 1cc til wk 10. just to shock my body a little bit. and what i meant by Deca Test EOW, is that i was thinking that my test levels would drop to low and just run 200mg of test every other week to still keep me active. but my uncle told me not to and if i do i will fuck myself up by adding test. i thought i ate 190g but actually i eat around 240 a day, i prob could eat more but i just lack the energy to make the food

crackerjack414 · 03-26-2003, 11:59 AM

i hate to tell u this bro but seriously that plan isnt a good idea. It goes back to the old school idea of tapering doseages bllod concentrations will do the tapering by themeselves
if you wanna do 300mg of deca a week do its
with 250 mg of test every week that tapering stuff will just lead to uneven blood concentrations. U might also consider seom provieron incase u get deca dick

03-23-2003, 12:55 PM	#1
daddy1122 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Cali Posts: 2	Fina and Test (revised check it out) I am thinking about running Fina and Test for 10wks instead of deca and test eow. i am thinking about running fine 75mg ed, and test 250mg/wk. just to let you guys know i am 17 but got checked out and my plates have sealed and i am not going to grow anymore, i will take my chances with shortening growths in other areas like shoulders and that shit. i have around 3 yrs expierence with wieght lifting and am dedicated. just wanted to know what you guys think about this. and oh yea then for post-cycle day one:100mg of clomid, day 2: 50mg and then 25 for the rest of the 2wks What kind of gains should i expect, sides, and how much should i keep, with a good training program and 3500+ calories a day, 190g+ protein day. cAim S/M = Eichhornchen11 Last edited by daddy1122 : 03-26-2003 at 11:36 AM.

03-24-2003, 10:42 AM	#2
cornfed Sweet 'lil Innocent Mod Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: serenity now insanity later Posts: 1,802	wait a few years... your hpta will be shit after 10wks of fina and then w/ test gains, probably good. sides... no kids... jacked hpta...... anyone else care to add? - "If I ever run into Dave Grohl, I'm gonna kick his fuqqin' ass... because he sucks and he wrote this cheese-dick song for Ozzy that I have to fuqqin' play on and I'll never forgive him for that. Foo Fighters is a fuqqin' candy-ass girl band but you've got that mother-fuqqer submitting songs [for the album], and those douchebags from the Offspring, too." "...Dave Grohl? Fuq Dave Grohl! ...you're getting this guy to write songs for Ozzy? Just because he played drums for fuqqing Sh!tvana?" --- Zakk Wylde --- ---Dimebag Darrel RIP---

03-24-2003, 03:55 PM	#3
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,477 Photos: 1	I dont know anyone that I can recall coming across, who ever ran Fina for more than 6 weeks, just something to keep in mind. Until your a 'doctor' or want to play Dan Duchaine, I'd pretty much stick to what others are doing. What do you mean Deca/Test EOW? Was that a typo? Kinesiology Comp Bench MaxCalc Motivation Bench form Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu

03-24-2003, 04:45 PM	#4
cornfed Sweet 'lil Innocent Mod Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: serenity now insanity later Posts: 1,802	I know some that've gone 14wk, but it was hpta hell and took 4mo to get test back to equilibrium - "If I ever run into Dave Grohl, I'm gonna kick his fuqqin' ass... because he sucks and he wrote this cheese-dick song for Ozzy that I have to fuqqin' play on and I'll never forgive him for that. Foo Fighters is a fuqqin' candy-ass girl band but you've got that mother-fuqqer submitting songs [for the album], and those douchebags from the Offspring, too." "...Dave Grohl? Fuq Dave Grohl! ...you're getting this guy to write songs for Ozzy? Just because he played drums for fuqqing Sh!tvana?" --- Zakk Wylde --- ---Dimebag Darrel RIP---

03-24-2003, 07:24 PM	#5
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,477 Photos: 1	Alot of folks start feeling "different" even after 4 weeks. As for your diet, 190g of protein is nothing, I peaked at 520g per day, normally I am 360 per day. I dont believe that 1g per pound is enough, but that is just what my experience tells me. Fitness models intake more than that usually. Kinesiology Comp Bench MaxCalc Motivation Bench form Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu

03-25-2003, 01:48 PM	#6
crackerjack414 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: cali Posts: 644	well tren for 10 weeks is way to long. being your young and its your first cycle u shouldn't be playing with tren yet u can do well with jst 250mg of test a week with some dbol. As for protein i agrea with mudge completly I didnt realy start getting insane gains till my protein intake was over 450g a day

03-26-2003, 03:46 AM	#7
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,477 Photos: 1	Even naturally my body hit a stopping point with protein intake, so I had to keep upping it.... I'm a white guy and genetics are not the same for everyone but my exp is 1.5g per day + even for retention. Kinesiology Comp Bench MaxCalc Motivation Bench form Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu

03-26-2003, 11:25 AM	#8
daddy1122 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Cali Posts: 2	Ya, that was pretty stupid of me thinking about doing a Fina/Test cycle, but like i said i wanted a hard look. However, after talking to my uncle he told me that i will hold no water and i will look hard and not watery. so i am going to go with my original plan for my first cycle (i am in HS and can't make it to obvious) which is QV Deca300. Running 300mg for the first 5 wks and then kickit up to a 1.5cc's til about wk 7 and then back down to 1cc til wk 10. just to shock my body a little bit. and what i meant by Deca Test EOW, is that i was thinking that my test levels would drop to low and just run 200mg of test every other week to still keep me active. but my uncle told me not to and if i do i will fuck myself up by adding test. i thought i ate 190g but actually i eat around 240 a day, i prob could eat more but i just lack the energy to make the food cAim S/M = Eichhornchen11

03-26-2003, 11:59 AM	#9
crackerjack414 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: cali Posts: 644	i hate to tell u this bro but seriously that plan isnt a good idea. It goes back to the old school idea of tapering doseages bllod concentrations will do the tapering by themeselves if you wanna do 300mg of deca a week do its with 250 mg of test every week that tapering stuff will just lead to uneven blood concentrations. U might also consider seom provieron incase u get deca dick

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