Thread: My first cycle:test prop + npp or pro-tren...proviron?

I think a test only first cycle would be best.

Then no pro-tren(prohormone) and no NPP? And to add Proviron what do you think?

test dose big things for a person new to AAS you will be happy and feel good on cycle I dont see a prob with proviron but save the npp for another run, where is your Pct???

For PCT i clomid,nolva,DAA and clen ..
clomid:
day 1-2:200mg
day 3-15:100mg
day 16-30:50mg
nolva:
week 1:30mg
week 2:20mg
week 3:20mg
week 4:10mg
clen(+zaditen 2mg):
day 1-2:80mg
day 3-10:100mg
day 10-30:120mg

it's ok???

sure looks good, hit the gas bro

Thank you brother!my hope is to maintain more muscle possible!
However propionate is really painful! Any part 'hole' brings me pip ...

The reason behind most people saying "Test only for first cycle" is so you can see how you respond to a certain compound. Mixing in several compounds and you have no idea what is working for you or what is not.

Test first then throw in some other compounds on run number two.

Originally Posted by MisterMak

The reason behind most people saying "Test only for first cycle" is so you can see how you respond to a certain compound. Mixing in several compounds and you have no idea what is working for you or what is not.

Test first then throw in some other compounds on run number two.

Yes..i know it is in this way, however, i thought that add a prohormone was not a problem ...

Most pro hormones suck anyway. Keep to real gear

Originally Posted by nby

Most pro hormones suck anyway. Keep to real gear

I am from my experiences do not think so ... because by prohormones i had good results except stack epistane and m-lmg

Wait till the test kicks in.. it'll make the epistane look like just another supplement without result.

You can run the PH the first 4 weeks if you like, also 50mg proviron a day. Drop the NPP, you shouldn't use it for a first cycle and you don't have caber or prami for prolactin side effects anyway. You shouldn't need proscar unless you already take it normally, you need dht for normal functions like mood/libido and it'll help your gains as well. Also drop the clen in pct you need those calories to maintain gains, it is NOT anticatabolic in humans at least at reasonable non-deadly doses. Also don't expect to gain that much weight while dropping bodyfat, you need to pick a goal bulk or cut and stick with your diet for it. That simply will not happen that kind of recomp so don't even expect it. You really should've gotten your bodyfat much lower before starting 18% is not that good and will cause more estro side effects.

All in all it looks OK, could've been much better but make the above changes and you'll be good. REMEMBER DIET IS MOST IMPORTANT!!

Originally Posted by Digitalash

You can run the PH the first 4 weeks if you like, also 50mg proviron a day. Drop the NPP, you shouldn't use it for a first cycle and you don't have caber or prami for prolactin side effects anyway. You shouldn't need proscar unless you already take it normally, you need dht for normal functions like mood/libido and it'll help your gains as well. Also drop the clen in pct you need those calories to maintain gains, it is NOT anticatabolic in humans at least at reasonable non-deadly doses. Also don't expect to gain that much weight while dropping bodyfat, you need to pick a goal bulk or cut and stick with your diet for it. That simply will not happen that kind of recomp so don't even expect it. You really should've gotten your bodyfat much lower before starting 18% is not that good and will cause more estro side effects.

All in all it looks OK, could've been much better but make the above changes and you'll be good. REMEMBER DIET IS MOST IMPORTANT!!

By adding proviron 50mg ED i need to eliminate adex 0.5 EOD?
Your opinion is to eliminate finasteride then?
Same thing applies to clen during PCT?
You can add clen during the cycle?
If my choice is the fall of the grease to all those grams should i lower my share of carbohydrates?

I apologize if my english is not correct, and use the translator on line ... then the result is not the best ...

Originally Posted by arnoldino 82

Then no pro-tren(prohormone) and no NPP? And to add Proviron what do you think?

actually trenavar is

Test P - Good choice. Fast ester so you can learn more faster and deal with any sides quicker as well.

Adex great choice as well.

I must agree that is all that's needed for 1st. I was all hot and ready to do so many oils and pills my first time out and really the more I read and asked the more it became clear it was not needed. All that advice turned out to be very true.

You will find great results with less the first time around. One step at a time to learn what works for you and what you like. With multiple oils and no experience it is very difficult to know what is doing what.

Your PCT (So very important) look great. Clearly you have done your homework so whatever you decide to go with best of luck and let us know how it works out!

It's nice to see people starting out the right way. Reading, learning, asking, and learning more. WTG!!!!

You're only going to put on so much weight during a cycle, and test alone versus being purely natural is a pretty big supercharger to slap on your engine. So you'll gain little to nothing more (IMO) by adding additional compounds.

Originally Posted by Eyayo

actually trenavar is

Is not trenavar (Estra-4,9,11-triene-3,17-dione)...is x-tren(Estra-4,9-diene-3,17-dione)...

Originally Posted by hypno

Test P - Good choice. Fast ester so you can learn more faster and deal with any sides quicker as well.

Adex great choice as well.

I must agree that is all that's needed for 1st. I was all hot and ready to do so many oils and pills my first time out and really the more I read and asked the more it became clear it was not needed. All that advice turned out to be very true.

You will find great results with less the first time around. One step at a time to learn what works for you and what you like. With multiple oils and no experience it is very difficult to know what is doing what.

Your PCT (So very important) look great. Clearly you have done your homework so whatever you decide to go with best of luck and let us know how it works out!

It's nice to see people starting out the right way. Reading, learning, asking, and learning more. WTG!!!!

thanks...thanks...
Yes i've chosen propionate because it is an ester short ... then from what I understood I can finish the cycle even to 8 weeks..
Adex to avoid the estrogenic effects especially the water retention ..
I take your advice and continuous only with testosterone ,proviron,adex and proscar,abandonment pro-tren(ph) ..
Now I have to decide whether to keep clen in PCT or hold it for the next cutting cycle..
Tomorrow ends the second week on the cycle and today I climbed on the scale ...
the current weight and 92.8 kg ----- Beginning weight 90.5 kg

Before I start my first cycle i was a year to read and study forum,books and material about retraining requirements demanded all the AAS and of course the best forum and THIS!

Originally Posted by Mudge

You're only going to put on so much weight during a cycle, and test alone versus being purely natural is a pretty big supercharger to slap on your engine. So you'll gain little to nothing more (IMO) by adding additional compounds.

It is in fact i chose:i only test propionate !!!!