Thread: Been using unrefrigerated HCG.. need help badly!!

Are you feeling any bad sides from the HCG? If you are toss it and use no more. If not then keep it up till the new stuff comes in and then do a couple 1000iu shots then continue with a PCT that has HCG included. Maybe even (if you are not suffering any sides from it) do bigger HCG injects till the new stuff comes. Maybe it is not totally worthless just somewhat degraded.

You could also start clomid now. I have read that it helps a little with raisin balls syndrome. If you start it now remember to keep it up when you start PCT. Doing some now does not mean you wont need it for PCT.

This is what I would do anyway. Someone with more knowledge may have better ideas.

Originally Posted by hypno

Are you feeling any bad sides from the HCG? If you are toss it and use no more. If not then keep it up till the new stuff comes in and then do a couple 1000iu shots then continue with a PCT that has HCG included. Maybe even (if you are not suffering any sides from it) do bigger HCG injects till the new stuff comes. Maybe it is not totally worthless just somewhat degraded.

You could also start clomid now. I have read that it helps a little with raisin balls syndrome. If you start it now remember to keep it up when you start PCT. Doing some now does not mean you wont need it for PCT.

This is what I would do anyway. Someone with more knowledge may have better ideas.

I don't have raisin balls, just a little smaller and is noticeble to me. I haven't noticed any negative sides from the HCG but I assume the potency is pretty much gone? It's been out of the refrigerator for over a month. I'm starting to panic a bit which I normally don't bc I'm prepared and do things right. Since it's only been around 6 wks would it be best to just start clomid/nolva? or will that not get me as good a recovery as a couple shots of the new hcg before pct?

How much are you using now? I could not keep my ball size on 500 a week.

My doc has me at 400x3/week. I don't think the refrigeration is huge, the time is. I believe it's around 45 days and it's degraded to just being water.

Originally Posted by BFHammer

I believe it's around 45 days and it's degraded to just being water.

After reconstitution, right?

Originally Posted by malfeasance

How much are you using now? I could not keep my ball size on 500 a week.

the past 2 cycles i've done with Hcg have kept my nuts full as to where they aren't now. I'm guessing the hormone has just degradaded from being out of the fridge but I'm wondering if there's still some in it. I usually go with 500iu/wk. Over the last couple wks I've been using around 750-1000iu/wk and my balls still seem atrophied. I'm trying to decide if when I get my new hcg if I should do a couple 1000iu shots in a week then start pct. I've got a gf I love to bang and don't wanna lose that!

Originally Posted by BFHammer

My doc has me at 400x3/week. I don't think the refrigeration is huge, the time is. I believe it's around 45 days and it's degraded to just being water.

So do you think it's still possible my hcg is somewhat effective after being out of the fridge for several weeks?

Originally Posted by fray5

So do you think it's still possible my hcg is somewhat effective after being out of the fridge for several weeks?

Pretty sure I've read FDA recommends refridgeration of hcg...
i believe you can test hcg to see if it's still effective with a pregnanctly test, if comes up positive still active though you wouldn't know the actual potency.

Recommended dose upfront for hypogonadism is 5000 Ius. Read the pharamacutical literature in the box it comes in. I routinely dose at 2000 iu when I notice shrinking. Maint dose is at 250 IU wk for me. As far as not being refrigerated. Hey look, its an extract of pregnant womens piss. So take it from there.

Originally Posted by Dath

Pretty sure I've read FDA recommends refridgeration of hcg...
i believe you can test hcg to see if it's still effective with a pregnanctly test, if comes up positive still active though you wouldn't know the actual potency.

This would be interesting. I think i'll give it a try.

Originally Posted by DetMuscle

Recommended dose upfront for hypogonadism is 5000 Ius. Read the pharamacutical literature in the box it comes in. I routinely dose at 2000 iu when I notice shrinking. Maint dose is at 250 IU wk for me. As far as not being refrigerated. Hey look, its an extract of pregnant womens piss. So take it from there.

Thanks for your comment bro. Do you think if maybe I did 2 1000iu shots over the course of 10 days, it'd get my boys plump before pct?

Originally Posted by fray5

So do you think it's still possible my hcg is somewhat effective after being out of the fridge for several weeks?

From what my clinic guy said it degrades rapidly after 30 days reconstituted. Leaving it out would have accelerated it somewhat but it's a higher heat that wipes it out so room temp out of sunlight probably degraded it somewhat, the age of it is what mainly weakens it from what I've read on it.

^^^ I agree.

Scenario: If you used hcg from the beginning but the hcg went bad due to age, what is the next best step? Do you begin using new hcg through the rest of your cycle or is best to wait until PCT? so with this scenario there could be a potential 3 week gap in hcg usage during cycle..

Originally Posted by fray5

Thanks for your comment bro. Do you think if maybe I did 2 1000iu shots over the course of 10 days, it'd get my boys plump before pct?

Absolutely it will help

Originally Posted by bb1129

^^^ I agree.

Scenario: If you used hcg from the beginning but the hcg went bad due to age, what is the next best step? Do you begin using new hcg through the rest of your cycle or is best to wait until PCT? so with this scenario there could be a potential 3 week gap in hcg usage during cycle..

So what exactly are you saying? Should I forget hcg and just go into pct with my nolva/clomid OR should I do a couple shots of new hcg at 1000iu?

Originally Posted by DetMuscle

Absolutely it will help

Thanks man! Do you think I'd be better off doing that instead of just starting pct with my nolva/clomid? I read that once you've atrophied some that hcg doesn't really matter anymore. In my mind, I would think doing at least a little blast before pct and as the esters clear is a good idea, right or not?

I would do a blast of the HCG you have till the new stuff comes in then start with 1000iu of that and then back to the 500iu 2xweek. If the new stuff wont be in time, then I would start clomid early to try to get the boys some help growing back up and continue the new HCG into the PCT.

I don't know much about Nolva but it may be better in the situation you are in. I just dont know. Someone who knows nolva please speak up and help out please.

Originally Posted by fray5

Thanks man! Do you think I'd be better off doing that instead of just starting pct with my nolva/clomid? I read that once you've atrophied some that hcg doesn't really matter anymore. In my mind, I would think doing at least a little blast before pct and as the esters clear is a good idea, right or not?

HCG is for atrophy of the testes. Thats what its for. If you dont need your nuts, you dont need HCG. It doesnt make em work any better, its for atrophy. So, take it from there.