How dangerous do you think anabolic steroids are?

Revenant · 04-15-2003, 02:13 AM

I've heard the anti-steroid side of the argument many times and all the warnings they offer, and all the dangers they say exist in using. However, I'm interested in hearing the other side of the argument. How dangerous do you think they are?

bigpapa · 04-15-2003, 05:00 AM

Anabolic steroids are medications that contain a syntheticaly manufactured form of the testosterone. The action of testosterone can be in ways both beneficial and detrimental to the body. On the plus side, this hormone has a direct impact on the growth of muscle tissues, the production of red blood sells and overall well being of the organism. But it may also negatively effect the production of skin oils, growth of body, facial and scalp hair, and the level of both "good" and "bad" cholesterol in the body. Raising the level of testoeterone in the body will simply enhance both its good and bad properties, but for the most part we are not having "toxic" reactions to these drugs. A notable exeption to this is the possibility of liver damage, which is a worry isolated to the use of c17-alpha alkylated oral steroids. Unless the athlete is taking anabolic/androgenic steroids abusively for a very long duration, side effects rarely amount to little more than a nuisance. You can read few books about the subject like "Anabolics 2000", "World anabolic revew", "Underground steroid handbook" and form your own opinion.

gr81 · 04-15-2003, 09:36 PM

Don't ask a question like this man. it can't be answered in a simple post, nor can you count on the responses from people on the internet to be rock solid on a topic like this. Not to say that the people on this site are not trustworthy or knowledgable, b/c they are, but if you ask a steroid abuser, he will tell you "no they are great, in high doses even," and it works inversely. You certainly will not find all the info you need to make a decision in a few posts either. why don't you take the time to do the research yourself like the rest of us have, instead of asking broad, unanswerable questions like this. The veterans didn't learn about the drugs by asking broad questions like this, they had a thirst for knowledge. Learn about it and make the decision yourself if they are dangerous to YOU and don't take up threads with questions like this.

**Prince** · 04-15-2003, 10:59 PM

Actually I think that bigpapa did a good job summarizing the pros and cons.

The biggest problem with steroid use is abuse. If they're used responsibly by adults, not teens, they can be very effective and have little health risk. As far as the dangers, we really do not know at this point, obviously orals are very toxic and hard on the liver, but there is little solid evidence that any long term effects will come from steroid use. Possibly in the next couple of decades as bodybuilders from the 70's, 80's and 90's get older we might be able to get a better idea.

**Mudge** · 04-16-2003, 12:41 AM

Steroids can be used safely, without a doubt IMO. Otherwise it would not be used for medicinal purposes, if it was as bad as made out by the propoganda we are brainwashed with. We all know that those people that smoked pot and did acid in the 60s and 70s stared at the sun until they went blind right?

Most of the people that will tell you about how steroids are the big bad evil, by far statistically will not know WTF they are talking about.

However like Prince said, abuse is the problem, if anything is abused, even water, you can die or do permanent damage to yourself. If you have a predisposition to a certain disorder or etc, then that would have to be weighed as well. Some people find right off the bad that they have high liver values do to years of drinking (drinking is legal), and thusly those folks usually avoid orals. Some people I found out have a natural predisposition to liver/kidney problems, some of this can be found via liver value testing, some people build up fat stores around the liver naturally and for some reason this is a sign of liver sensativity, why I dont know offhand.

Anywho, since this stuff is a medicine, there are right and wrong ways to use things, so while some of it is basic, there is also alot to learn if you really want to get a handle on things. The most dangerous aspect of steroids to me is the legal bullcrap, but it is a sad reality.

Of the bodybuilders I can think of who have faltered or died around competition time, its been caused by dehydration, look up Momo Benaziza on Google, that was a few years back. Paul Dillett also collapsed not too many years back from the same thing, but lived.

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DanK · 04-17-2003, 01:34 AM

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However like Prince said, abuse is the problem, if anything is abused, even water, you can die or do permanent damage to yourself.

How do you die or do permanent damage to yourself abusing water? I'm assuming you are talking about drinking this water, and that it's reasonably untainted, and that you drink it via your mouth and not through some other oriface, and use a reasonable method of delivery such as a glass or bottle (not a firehose). Or maybe it's not water abuse unless you use a hose to drink your water through your ear? This is something of a concern for me since I do drink quite a bit of water.

**Mudge** · 04-17-2003, 02:10 AM

You can die from drinking too much water, on a lesser level, you will only drain your electrolytes. There is at least one recent case of a 7 year old girl dying, due to brain swelling after being forced to drink a large amount of water, in a "rebirthing" process which her dillusional foster parents thought would help.

**Mudge** · 04-18-2003, 03:38 AM

To be fair, here is a post that might scare some into never using (nothing wrong with that).

Quote:

Ok some of you know of my previous party history but this is not the point.

I finally got a doc appointment last week and got tested thru the yin yang for everything(some shit is still not back yat but that doesnt matter)

Point being this. My liver is inflamed severlly due to past abuses(mainly booze and drugs, anabolics were last year but I did party while on) and I was told point blank even though I have made an effort to straighten things out the past month and a half and it is this.

KEEP FUCKING ROUND AND YOU WONT LIVE LONG.

Ok what does this have to do with anabolics??
Well a fucking lot see I have not had a reg checkup nor been honest with the medical establishment for years.

My point being is if you use anabolics etc and think you are fine well DONT FUCKING THINK!!
Get reg blood work done etc. 99% of us will be fine but its the lot of us who dont get checked out that may have problems that were there before that we dont know about which could compound shit.Never mind shit that can happen or not even happen at all, which means how the fuck do you know until you find out.

Before anyone says "well I dont party like you did blah blah" just remember what I said in the last paragraph.

better to be safe then sorry.
I will get healthy again and will probably be able to use again in the future BUT without the party material and with reg checkups. Be honest with your doc and if wont help you either...

Remember he has the "hippocratic" oath to hold up or
Find a doc who will.

Later guys

crackerjack414 · 04-18-2003, 03:07 PM

steroids can be as safe or as dangerous as u make them.......

DanK · 04-19-2003, 08:51 AM

Was the poster above abusing water too or just steroids, it's not clear from the post.

**Mudge** · 04-20-2003, 01:17 AM

Basically what he is saying is check your blood, he admits to drinking heavily when younger though.

TJ Cline · 10-29-2005, 11:31 PM

Very interesting thread.....
bump

TJ Cline · 10-30-2005, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Ninja TS

aceshigh · 10-30-2005, 01:38 AM

fuck in hell not ninja again fuck off

Mags · 10-30-2005, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by aceshigh

fuck in hell not ninja again fuck off

Gold! Nuff said!

ag-guys · 10-30-2005, 08:19 PM

AS is as dangerous as you make it. Did you know that taking 30 pills of aspirin (OTC) can kill you?

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aceshigh · 10-30-2005, 09:36 PM

they can be dangerous if u are a target for assasination they make u a bigger target

TJ Cline · 10-30-2005, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ag-guys

AS is as dangerous as you make it. Did you know that taking 30 pills of aspirin (OTC) can kill you?

thanks
AG
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300 to 500 reported deaths per year: (taken as directed).
http://www.juiceguy.com/ASPIRIN-side...de-DEATH.shtml

gococksDJS · 10-30-2005, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ag-guys

AS is as dangerous as you make it. Did you know that taking 30 pills of aspirin (OTC) can kill you?

thanks
AG
www.ag-guys.com

Shit, I just took 31...

lnvanry · 10-30-2005, 10:55 PM

shit... i mean if the juiceguy says so then it most be true

**Mudge** · 10-30-2005, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by lnvanry

shit... i mean if the juiceguy says so then it most be true

NSAIDs are the registered number 2 cause of liver related deaths in the United States.

lnvanry · 10-30-2005, 11:02 PM

NSAIDS?

**Mudge** · 10-30-2005, 11:15 PM

Non-steroidal anti inflamatory agents/drugs, one of which is Aspirin.

Devlin · 10-31-2005, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Mudge

NSAIDs are the registered number 2 cause of liver related deaths in the United States.

Sure fire way to kill your liver and yourself is to take a half a bottle (give or take) of Tylenol with liquior. Seen it happen a few times when I worked in a hospital, it not a pretty site to watch someone bleed to death internally.

PWGriffin · 10-31-2005, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Devlin

Sure fire way to kill your liver and yourself is to take a half a bottle (give or take) of Tylenol with liquior. Seen it happen a few times when I worked in a hospital, it not a pretty site to watch someone bleed to death internally.

That is craziness.

See this is what I'm talking about..the argument of how "SAFE" steroids are....well they are prolly safer than driving a car or getting on an airplane for that matter. If a goatbrain is in the cockpit then I'm sure the dangers are much higher....I've heard of a guy who took 10 cc's of test E in the morning and then another 10 cc's that night..liver failure...don't know if he survived or not...doesn't mean that my cycle is going to do any damage to my body whatsoever, I may not experience even the mildest of harmful side effects since I'm not abusing.

Devlin · 10-31-2005, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by PWGriffin

That is craziness.

See this is what I'm talking about..the argument of how "SAFE" steroids are....well they are prolly safer than driving a car or getting on an airplane for that matter. If a goatbrain is in the cockpit then I'm sure the dangers are much higher....I've heard of a guy who took 10 cc's of test E in the morning and then another 10 cc's that night..liver failure...don't know if he survived or not...doesn't mean that my cycle is going to do any damage to my body whatsoever, I may not experience even the mildest of harmful side effects since I'm not abusing.

I would say the key factor that makes steriods, or any drug (even asprin), dangerous is lack of education when taking the drug.

bigss75 · 11-10-2005, 09:45 PM

http://www.reason.com/0301/fe.dp.pumped.shtml
Pumped-Up Hysteria
Forget the hype. Steroids aren’t wrecking professional baseball.
By Dayn Perry

Had Ken Caminiti been a less famous ballplayer, or had he merely confessed his own sins, then it would have been a transient controversy. But it wasn’t. Last May, Caminiti, in a cathartic sit-down with Tom Verducci of Sports Illustrated, became the first major league baseball player, current or retired, to admit to using anabolic steroids during his playing days. Specifically, he said he used them during the 1996 season, when he was named the National League’s Most Valuable Player. And his truth session didn’t stop there.
"It’s no secret what’s going on in baseball. At least half the guys are using [steroids]," Caminiti told SI. "They talk about it. They joke about it with each other....I don’t want to hurt fellow teammates or fellow friends. But I’ve got nothing to hide."
The suggestion that steroids are a systemic problem in professional athletics is hardly shocking, but such candor from players -- particularly baseball players, who until recently weren’t subject to league-mandated drug testing -

04-15-2003, 02:13 AM	#1
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Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 22,997 Photos: 1	Steroids can be used safely, without a doubt IMO. Otherwise it would not be used for medicinal purposes, if it was as bad as made out by the propoganda we are brainwashed with. We all know that those people that smoked pot and did acid in the 60s and 70s stared at the sun until they went blind right? Most of the people that will tell you about how steroids are the big bad evil, by far statistically will not know WTF they are talking about. However like Prince said, abuse is the problem, if anything is abused, even water, you can die or do permanent damage to yourself. If you have a predisposition to a certain disorder or etc, then that would have to be weighed as well. Some people find right off the bad that they have high liver values do to years of drinking (drinking is legal), and thusly those folks usually avoid orals. Some people I found out have a natural predisposition to liver/kidney problems, some of this can be found via liver value testing, some people build up fat stores around the liver naturally and for some reason this is a sign of liver sensativity, why I dont know offhand. Anywho, since this stuff is a medicine, there are right and wrong ways to use things, so while some of it is basic, there is also alot to learn if you really want to get a handle on things. The most dangerous aspect of steroids to me is the legal bullcrap, but it is a sad reality. Of the bodybuilders I can think of who have faltered or died around competition time, its been caused by dehydration, look up Momo Benaziza on Google, that was a few years back. Paul Dillett also collapsed not too many years back from the same thing, but lived. http://www.gmv.com.au/catalog/produc...18&Product=393
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04-17-2003, 02:10 AM	#7
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 22,997 Photos: 1	You can die from drinking too much water, on a lesser level, you will only drain your electrolytes. There is at least one recent case of a 7 year old girl dying, due to brain swelling after being forced to drink a large amount of water, in a "rebirthing" process which her dillusional foster parents thought would help.
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04-15-2003, 05:00 AM	#2
bigpapa Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: overseas Posts: 7	Anabolic steroids are medications that contain a syntheticaly manufactured form of the testosterone. The action of testosterone can be in ways both beneficial and detrimental to the body. On the plus side, this hormone has a direct impact on the growth of muscle tissues, the production of red blood sells and overall well being of the organism. But it may also negatively effect the production of skin oils, growth of body, facial and scalp hair, and the level of both "good" and "bad" cholesterol in the body. Raising the level of testoeterone in the body will simply enhance both its good and bad properties, but for the most part we are not having "toxic" reactions to these drugs. A notable exeption to this is the possibility of liver damage, which is a worry isolated to the use of c17-alpha alkylated oral steroids. Unless the athlete is taking anabolic/androgenic steroids abusively for a very long duration, side effects rarely amount to little more than a nuisance. You can read few books about the subject like "Anabolics 2000", "World anabolic revew", "Underground steroid handbook" and form your own opinion.

04-18-2003, 03:07 PM	#9
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04-20-2003, 01:17 AM	#11
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 22,997 Photos: 1	Basically what he is saying is check your blood, he admits to drinking heavily when younger though.
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10-30-2005, 10:55 PM	#20
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lnvanry primeau Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: DC Posts: 2,976 Photos: 12	NSAIDS?

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Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 22,997 Photos: 1	Non-steroidal anti inflamatory agents/drugs, one of which is Aspirin.
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