Just got my lab results in my platelets were a little low my lymphs were high and my glucose low. Other than that everything tested where it should. My test serum was 1084 the range was 348-1197. My luteinizing hormone was 25.1 range was 1.7-8.6 so that one is pretty high. My fsh was 10.2 out of 1.5-12.4 and estradiol was 15.1 out of 7.6-42.6. I think the letro is starting to kick in more my knees were started to ache with squats yesterday and I never have that problem also sex drive isn't very high nor have I woke up with morning wood the last two days. Lumps seem to get smaller the day after I use caber should I maybe bump that to everyday instead of eod? Just ordered forma stane would that be good to start up when I get it? I read good reviews for people who did letro caber and forma thought it might be worth a shot? What do you guys think?
You don't need letro and forma... in fact, as low as your e2 is, I would just switch to forma so that you don't have rebound.. your e2 is actually really low.. dropping the letro and switching to low dose asin or forma should be sufficient, and also lower your 'low e2 sides'.... are you taking clomid, or hcg? if not, you have something very strange going on with LH and FSH.. those are VERY high readings for being on cycle(and the test you are taking has test in it more than likely, unless you are just a genetic freak, and have really high natty test levels... or are young!)
How old are you by the way? Just so we can kinda have a clue on your stats, so we can give you a little better advice... this does differ with age... and past cycle experience...
STOP playing with your nipples.. you can take NOTHING and have leaky nipples if you are playing with them.. it's a natural body response! leave them alone! your e2 is low, you shouldn't have any issues with gyno(unless you took a progestin based ph...).. unless you are playing with them(this causes the body to release prolactin.. which i think is MOST of your issues.. you aren't going to get gyno with the test levels you have, and the low e2 you have, unless you are 'causing' a progestin(prolactin) release due to continually checking them...
Seriously, a LOT of people are so scared of getting gyno, they constantly 'check' their nipples, and end up CAUSING THEIRSELVES TO GET GYNO!!! You will know without ever touching them if you are starting to get gyno.. they will itch, then ache, then be straight up painful.. you don't have to touch them to feel the initial 'itching' feeling.... if you feel sensitivity that is not normal in your nipples, that's when you check them(once!!!) not daily! at that point, if you are getting puffy, start the nolva, get bloodwork(including prolactin), and treat accordingly(with either an AI or caber...depending on whether it is e2 or prolactin)
I do have to give you props on going in and having bloodwork done!!! this is more than most people do!!! Good job, you are going in the right direction.. now, just quit messing with them, and take some caber(to drop prolactin...) and switch to forma...Your e2 is low enough you don't really need letro any more, but I would continue nolva, and add an anti-p.... and switch to asin or forma(so you don't have rebound aromatization from the letro)
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I agree with overburdened. Aromasin is probably all you need.
If you are lactating I suggest trying Prolactrone.
You can still get prolactin sides from prohormones.
Just because you're not injecting AAS doesn't mean you won't aromatize either.
People are so scared of gyno they overdo the letro, caber and what not.
I think they look for the strongest compounds they can find in hopes of preventing gyno but you can't just block ALL estrogen.
You also need estrogen to build and maintain muscle. Completely blocking all estrogen can be very counterproductive.
Also, stats would be good.
Especially your age and EVERY compound you're running.
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Overburden I don't need letro? Any ideas why gyno is still there? I've been on letro and caber for three weeks now definitely looking better than they have when I was taking tamox, torem or adex and no I didn't take all of them at once I was on each one for a month at a time with no changes. My lumps have gone from a nickel down to a bean or even the size of a pea at times. I will try hard to not touch them just hard to tell if it's working unless i don't slightly touch them. I just started forma stanzol yesterday. No I'm not on clomid or hcg. I'm almost 24 that's why my test is high never done anything besides ironmag labs pro hormones. The cycle that caused this was six weeks of halo with four weeks of cyanostane. Four months before that i did four weeks of halo with no problems. Four weeks before that was my first cycle of super dmz which shut me down completely but no sides besides that. never had any issues until a couple months ago after pct. Why is my LH and FSH so high? My nipples are no longer achy unless they gf lays on me and her shoulder hits my nipples dead on besides that they feel good. Just puffy as shit unless cold or in the morning they are always at the smallest as the day progresses they get puffier. I figured it was about time to do blood work since i had no idea what was going on I wish I would have gone and done it three months ago when the symptoms started. So after all this being said you think if I drop the letro and stick to the forma and caber it will go away?
I've been on letro and caber for three weeks now gyno has definitely made improvements hardly even noticeable still a little puffy but not bad at all. Lumps have shrunk at least 60 percent. Not feeling any sides from this so should I keep at this dose of 2.5? Or should I taper off and use forma and keep the caber for another few weeks?