hey guys tryna run a recomp soon, currently im 6'1, 230 pounds , bodyfat is at 15% (estimate). below is the proposed cycle, i have used test, tren and winny in the past, this would be the first time using primobolan tho, i went with pharm grade, dished out for the good stuff. for those who have experience with it, would love feedback. i am not sure if i want to run the tren this time around, but im leaving it as an option.
1-16 - Test E 250-300mg per week
1-16 - Primobolan 600-700mg per week (turkish schering)
8-16- trenbolone acetate 100-150mg EOD
10-16 - winstrol 50mg ED (injectable)
5iu serostim HGH daily, 3iu first thing in the AM, 2iu in the afternoon - been using GH for the last 4-5 months, loving it.
8-16 - Caber .5mg twice a week (cabaser pharm grade) - only if i decide to use tren
3-16 - exemestane 25mg EOD or 12.5mg ED
i was also thinking of throwing in T3 once my fatloss has slowed down somewhere in the cycle not exactly sure when, i was thinkn of 50mcg ED, i have no experience with T3 and would appreciate someone to chime in on this. was told that the body naturally produces 25mcg, so 50mcg would be the best dose to run. only fear i have is T3 being catabolic , i def dont want to lose any muscle. Also ive used ECA stack from MP in the past with great results, also an option.
i am a TRT patient so after this recomp i would continue on my 100mg cyp weekly.
would appreciate any comments or suggestions, especially from those who have ran primo at those doses, im not prone to balding , but i am concerned with the enlarged prostate from the primo, def dont want to get up to use the bathroom multiple times a night.
I hired someone to do my diet, so my diet will be on check, i know that gains are dictated by diet, i will start off with a strict keto and then switch to carb cycling.
Last edited by endurance724; 12-02-2012 at 04:16 AM.
thanks for your input brother, actually i wanted to avoid orals and give the liver and lipids a rest, Winny wreaks havoc on my lipids and i wanted to run that at the end. but the test p kickstart sounds good to me.
Are you cutting or recomping bro? I believe tren would be better suited to a recomp so if thats your goal I would definitely include it. Never ran primo but I've heard where it really shines is while cutting, its supposedly second only to tren in preserving muscle in a deficit (don't quote me, just something I read). So to take full advantage of the primo I think you should focus mostly on cutting, if you add the tren you'll probably gain a little LBM as well but I would gear your diet more towards a cut than recomp. Just my opinion. Also test P kickstart sounds good if you want to avoid orals.
I think you should up the test to around 500mg personally, and aromasin really should be dosed ED given its short half life in males (12hrs I believe?)
I've heard ingesting orals like winny rather than injecting them causes a greater release of igf-1 from the liver. When injected the depot will release hormone more slowly and gradually, the stress from 17-aa alkylated steroids is partially what causes igf-1 release from the liver, so taking it orally and absorbing all of it very quickly will increase this effect. Since igf-1 is also good for dieting I think it may be something to consider that you'd get a greater benefit from swallowing the winny than injecting, at least in this case. I can't say that for sure as I don't believe there is a study to back it, but it makes sense to me. I also don't think the bioavailability of injected winny is that much higher than it is orally so there probably isn't much benefit to injecting it. Again don't quote me on that, I've looked before for bioavailability readings of different AAS and routes of administration but don't believe I found any. I do remember reading that most 17-aa steroids are very well absorbed by the stomach and so there probably isn't much of an increase when injecting it.
thanks four your response dig, yes my diet is indeed geared mainly for cutting, am still unsure about the tren only because of the sexual sides it causes for me, even with caber and prolacting in check (btw using pharm grade caber) after a couple weeks i lose my drive for sex, i can physically get an erection, that is not the issue but i dont actually feel like having sex and have to force myself, and the woman can tell and that never turns out so well lol. so really tryna avoid the tren if i can.
in regard to the test, was really banking on running it low around 300mg per week. just to stay drier.
and in the winny case, i have some amps left that i havent used by body research (stanol) so was gna give them a run.
You can drink those injectable winny anyway if you so choose, kind of a waste of $ since they usually cost alot more per mg
Without the tren I think you should definitely up your dose of test, you may not stay quite as dry but your cycle will be more succesful in the long run. You'll preserve more lbm and possibly build some, while losing more fat. I'm not sure how strong 700mg primo really is but without the tren and only 250mg test I think it would leave something to be desired. 5-600mg test sounds better to me personally, if you do decide to run the tren then 300 may be better. Some people react better to a lower test dose while on tren. If you have sexual sides use some cialis, and of course caber. If that doesn't help spend $50 on bloodwork and figure out what the problem is so you can treat it.