Thread: Non-injectable cycle?

Needles aren't the painful part. He needs to know more of what he's doing and have a better training regiment n grow some naturally.

Any anabolic is going to repress his natural testosterone production. That is why at least some test should be run. He can TRY an oral only but about week four he will start to feel like shit. Any don't you just tell him that will happen and let him go ahead and do it. its one of those things... if you can't hack a subQ slin shot maybe AAS isn't for you. Not only that but AAS itself will make sure you don't get its benefits without at least a minimum of bellying up to the bar.

I have had numerous dudes insist on anavar only cycles. I tell them they will feel great then they will feel like shit and when they feel like shit I will have the testosterone ready for them. In the end they either quit altogether or come back for the testosterone.

OP maybe he wants you to offer to pin him?
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Come on guys, i know better then to send him into something blind. I am wanting ideas for him, then i will do all the research he needs then school him on it plus make him research everything he needs to know also.
Thing is i only know the skinny about dbol and test prop (my cycle) I dont know that much about what else is out there. sure i can search around but i thought i would ask here to maybe get some personal experience stories.

And i actually offered to pin him lol after a couple pins im sure he will get over the fear, but his first one is the problem.
I already know that pinning test is the preferred way to go, im just wanting to help him with any other options........if there are any.
or should i just tell him its pinning or nothing? lol

Originally Posted by Hazardx

Come on guys, i know better then to send him into something blind. I am wanting ideas for him, then i will do all the research he needs then school him on it plus make him research everything he needs to know also.
Thing is i only know the skinny about dbol and test prop (my cycle) I dont know that much about what else is out there. sure i can search around but i thought i would ask here to maybe get some personal experience stories.

And i actually offered to pin him lol after a couple pins im sure he will get over the fear, but his first one is the problem.
I already know that pinning test is the preferred way to go, im just wanting to help him with any other options........if there are any.
or should i just tell him its pinning or nothing? lol

SOLID BEGINNER STACK:

600mg testosterone per week (two shots)
75-100mg oral Winstrol ED
I sell this packaged and discounted with a bottle of Nolva (just in case) and a bottle of clomid for PCT
this is absolutely my recommended beginner stack. Over the years I have seen at least 200 guys do this stack with great results.

Boom.

If he wants to spend more money:
600mg testosterone per week (two shots)
100mg oral anavar ED

Its not too complicated

He can pin the test sub q its not that bad I know lots of girls that do if.

The only thing other then test would be to get him on stano...but he would have to dose that high.
I've been on test for 3 wks now (first pin)...before that I always ran oral cycle only - stano was always my base but would have to run it at 1200mg/ed...
I'm never leaving test...NEVER. Feels totally different man...srs. I am deathly afraid of needles as well - not giving them but getting them. I was a medic in the army...so I had my fair share of needles. After the first pin, thought i was gonna pass out - but day after day it gets easier...to the fact that i look forward to pinning.
Bottom line - take it from someone that has only done oral cycles for 'x' years to now doing test...don't let him do it.

Thanks guys, yeah im just gonna tell him to man up or stay off the gear. lol
Agentyes, you got an email.

There is really no practical way to replace testosterone. He could potentially run hcg to keep test production up, but that would still require needles. He could run a transdermal test made for TRT, but its expensive, hard to find, and hard to dose high enough to even top out the "normal" test range, let alone hit the point of being anabolic. Also andriol or test undecanoate can be taken orally, but again its expensive per dose and hard to find. You don't absorb it nearly as well orally or transdermally, and especially with a transdermal you would require LOTS of the stuff each day to get to the levels required to be anabolic. It could potentially be used just to keep test levels fairly normal and not totally flatlined without injections but it wouldn't be too cheap and you would need to find a source for it, or have it made for you .


Really if he's only been training less than a year and doesn't even look like it, he could probably use your help in the diet department alot more than gear advice. He should probably get serious and dedicated for a while and learn to make gains naturally first. If he can't eat or train well enough to gain naturally then his results on gear will be subpar, and he'll lose them as soon as he comes off and loses that improved feed efficency. You can maintain more mass on less calories/protein on gear than off, even if you don't eat properly you can still gain a few pounds of muscle while on. If you don't have the foundation of proper training and especially DIET you will lose it all when you come off and pct.

Originally Posted by Hazardx

Thanks guys, yeah im just gonna tell him to man up or stay off the gear. lol
Agentyes, you got an email.

Replied. Sorry that took me a minute to put together for you.

If he is not ready for needles he is not ready for gear....GICH

Originally Posted by Agentyes

He can pin the test sub q its not that bad I know lots of girls that do if.

Are there any downsides/differences with SQ test injects? I'd assume the metabolism is slower (therefore a longer half-life) but overall effect identical.

Originally Posted by chocolatemalt

Are there any downsides/differences with SQ test injects? I'd assume the metabolism is slower (therefore a longer half-life) but overall effect identical.

they hurt like a bitch

Test injects, not orals.....

I would not rec this to any one.
I believe test should be in all cycles. even if its a cream but i assume your not on androgel so I would have to say no.

just get some caffeine pills or no2 pills and re lable them and tell him its gear. he will probably be like "bro this is the best shit I have been on, I gained like 30 lbs on my bench" i hate oral cycles. PIN TO WIN!!

Get his diet and training set before he even thinks about gear. If he is stuck on orals I'd run a decent ph stack to get him started. Maybe some dmz 2.0 or msten

Originally Posted by Hazardx

My roommate has had his mind set on some gear since he moved in and i let him know about my cycle.
He is interested in Dbol but not the Test. Reason being is he is deathly afraid of needles.
but as far as i know, a dbol only cycle isnt recommended right?

I explained that the slin pins i use are damn near 100% painless but he is still afraid.
What do you guys recommend?

He is 24yrs old, about 160, prob about 5'9 or 5'10, training about 3 days a week for about a year (tho he doesnt look it lol)

Oh and he doesnt want to really gain so much mass, so people dont ask if he is on gear lol

Thanks in advance fellas

He will NEVER have to worry about being 'too big'... He is far to ignorant!!! Tell him to work out(seriously), and eat!!! That's all he needs to do!!! Hell, if he ate and really worked out, he may even be accused of being on steroids, cause he will gain a SIGNIFICANT amount of lean mass!!!!!(so, he may not actually want to do that either!)......... I was accused of being on steroids for 3 years before I touched them(and I'm sure that most of us that did work out for a few years(at least) before we did steroids, that knew what eating and working out was... were probably accused of being on 'the juice')... but I worked out.. and I ate.... So, unless he decides to do both of those, he won't have to worry. Nobody will even know he lifts, let alone does steroids....

Originally Posted by chocolatemalt

Are there any downsides/differences with SQ test injects? I'd assume the metabolism is slower (therefore a longer half-life) but overall effect identical.

SubQ is supposed to absorb more steadily and maintain a more even hormone level because the fatty layer where it is deposited is not affected by exercise. SubQ is really only a good idea for lower doses IMO that can be full administered with twice weekly shots. IM is standard medical protocol for test administrations. SubQ is newer and not as studied. There are ideas that over time weird deposits or damage could form in the fat from repeated Injections. Long term for guys in the lifestyle I believe IM is the way to go. for a first time eight week cycle if sub is easier/less painful I think its a good idea. No need to dive face first into the deep end. I dknt have that elitist attitude regarding steroids like if your balls arent xyz size you don't have the right to use.

Originally Posted by jay_steel

just get some caffeine pills or no2 pills and re lable them and tell him its gear. he will probably be like "bro this is the best shit I have been on, I gained like 30 lbs on my bench" i hate oral cycles. PIN TO WIN!!

THIS^^^^^^ This is what you need to do! and jack him for $400 for a bottle of NO2, for being so stupid!!! He will grow more off that than test anyway, and end up keeping the gains(what an idea!!!!) and NOT fuck his enodgenous test, after he DOESN'T do pct... cause it don't make you grow.. so what's the use....

SERIOUSLY, THIS IS THE BEST IDEA IVE SEEN ON HERE!!!