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im running 400 mgs a week of test E atm with 300mg a week of Deca 300. my question is it better to blast 400 mg of Test E at once or split into a monday friday dose at 200 mg a whack? upside and downside of either choice. I know Test E starts falling radically after the 3rd or fourth day once injected but wondering if i needed the 400mg at once to offset the deca 300. So just so advice from the pros please :)
split it into 2 shots a week, same with deca.
you should bump your test upto 500 mgs a week.
How old are you? How many cycles before this have you done?
Deca should be ran at 2mg per pound of bodyweight and you should run twice as much test as deca unless you have some cabergoline to combat the prolactin increase from the deca. You should also be aware running a 4:3 test to deca cycle you run a fair chance of giving yourself impotence. Deca really isnt a good choice for beginners because it takes a high amount of test to keep you functioning right. For some reason I get the sense that maybe you havent done much research... Im not bashing you I just really dont want someone fucking up thier body.
i have done some research, but havnt ran the deca 300 before only npp with test E. im 34 yrs old, 205 lbs 13% bf or less, this is my 4th cycle at 3months on 3 months off. nolvadex for PCT i ladder up and ladder down. 800 mg of test E a week to offset the Deca at 400mg at 2mg per lb of body weight seems a bit Steep. ive never ran anything that high before. whats the lowest recomended dose of Deca 300 to still gain good results without jacking up so much test? or is 2mg per lb of bw gospel?
300 is going to work great for you.... bump your test to 500 a week.
I would run for 14 weeks and kickstart with 50mgs dbol a day for first 4 weeks....
take your AI and have caber on hand if you for some reason have gyno symptoms from the deca.Quote:
Originally Posted by justhav2p
I should have asked,
and asking now,
what were your previous cycles and gains?
up your test to 500mg a week minimum. 250 x 2 a week
like
monday and then thursday.
deca needs to be half what your test is. u should do 600 mg a week of test 300 mg of deca.
How old are you? How many cycles before this have you done?
do some more research tho deca can fuck u up if u dont know how to run it correctly. no offence just looking out.
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Originally Posted by pkstylez
^up ... Yes 2mg per pound is pretty much gospel and lower than 400mg a week is wasteful IMO. Deca needs to be ran a minimum of 16 weeks and you probably wont see any gains from the deca until week 12. However, the strength gains joint lubrication will start in the second week. 800mg of test isnt that much especially if you are running an enanthate or cypionate which are both only %70 testosterone. Remember that test is dose dependent... the higher the dose the more muscle you gain. It is safe up to damn near three grams a week. Personally I take two grams a week and im fine. Im not saying to go bang two grams but I am saying that if you were to do 800mg a week you will be more than fine. 400mg a week is only slightly above prescribed test replacement doses... not gonna do anything but shut down your balls and be used in its place brother man.
lol thanks guys, ive ran 4 other cycles before 12-14 weeks per cycle did test E and Npp both times very low doses first couple times almost a joke so i wont post it the last two were similar to what im at now but instead of Npp im running Deca 300. gains were roughly 20lbs each time losing about 50% when finished but i do alot of cuttin in between cycles to reduce bf so its kind of up and down with each cycle gettin about same or a little higher than before body weight as high as 232lbs im 6foot tall then ill cut down to 205 ish and bulk back up with each cycle looking better than the last. appreciate all the input guys and im not offended if you say im a dumbass or dont know enough ( thats why im posting in here). people that cant take criticism or being called a dumbass should not be doing what we do anyway. :)
Whoa there brother! I'm not trying to cut you or nothing but you may want to rephrase/rethink this statement. With that kind of thinking I could do 6 grams of test a week, gain 75-100pds and kick the shit out of Phil Heath(spell) at this years Olympia. Listen OP, the_riddler has made some good points. Bump your test to 600-800mg per week split into two shots along with your deca at either 300(if doing 600 test) or 400(if doing 800 test). You can put both in the same syringe for two easy shots per week. M/Thr, Tues/Fri, Wed/Sat etc. You get the drift just pick the two days that are easy for you.
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Originally Posted by the_riddler
I agree with everyone here, up test to 600 -800 a week, the deca is fine at 300 a week but you wont get much out of it.
I run it low for my joints and its awesome at 300 a week and low dose avoids sides never had a problem getting my wood going
I stick with 300 deca and 500 test.
Reason being:
You've gained 20 lbs on last cycle of npp and test. Why add more when your still going to gain the same on less.....
Side note:
I would def pin 600 mgs test weekly because I am a slut for the test.
1cc of test...1/2 cc deca...twice ew on mon/thurs...easy to remember..Quote:
Originally Posted by pkstylez
thanks guys so basicall run a 2:! ratio test to deca to be safe, so 300 deca = 600 test, split dose in half for a two pin per week and im golden. thanks guys :)
You got it man 2:1 split doses..... as for six grams of test haha that is a bit high but if you can hack the acne and aggressiveness that comes with it go for it... let me know how it goes :) I will cheer you on. Ive ran almost every compound out there and test works for me. I like the positive sides and get very few negative sides even at really high doses. So instead of running 1 gram of test, 500mg deca, and 50mg dbol or anadrol ed I just go with 2 grams of straight test. Everyone's body works and reacts to compound differently.
Run 250 of the test e and 150 of the deca every 4th day.
If its a long cycle keep in mind deca can increase prolactin levels, you might want some caber on hand
run the caber if i start getting sensative nipples right?
run adex .5 EOD from start of cycle. Run letro for nipples.
to pksylez , No sensitive nipples are a sign of gyno rolling in, or high estro. You'll treat that with your AI or Nolvadex or letrozole if things get bad. Caber treats increased prolactin levels and you wont feel that coming on as easy. Increased prolactin will decrease your libido and cause erection problems, which is often associated with NOR19 compounds , aka deca .
Ur telling this man to take letro for estrogen sides? Letro will hinder your gains. It will work for estrogen sides but its not the ideal. Use arimidex. You guys are trying to mess this dude up. Ur telling him to get surgery for a paper cut here.
Who are you talking about ? You'll notice the order in which I suggested the AIs, and also notice I said if things get bad, after Letro.
lol thats why i love posting in here, you get all the info and analogies you could ever want or need in here haha. thanks for all the help guys, love you riddler.
Sounds like there's a damn echo in here
i would bump to 600 test if i was you. I was at a gram of test and 600 deca and at the end of the cycle my dick would go limp before halftime. I bumped my test to 1200 and had no more issues. I feel that the magic number for deca and test is run half the deca of what your test is.
ya i have noticed that already a couple times. i bumped up the test to 600. other question i have is once the cycle is over if your having impotence issues or the dicking going limp before halftime lol, does it return to normal after the PCT ?
I thought I mentioned caber to you. You having trouble keeping it up ? Get a blood test for prolactin, estrogen and progesterone.
not really a problem just noticed it lost its intensity in the middle of it a couple times, but i just ordered some caber. gonna also get this prolactorone ( spelled right?) product. Supposed to drop progesteron levels as well.
also i was wondering, the halflife of caber is like 63 hours -65 hours or something at 0.5mg dose. i was wondering what is the dosage schedule for caber. ive never used that before and havent really gotten any concrete dosage on it yet
caber you can do eod due to the halflife. not to be a dick but i think you kind of answered your own question. I would get labs done though before you start messing with AI doses. See where you are at and how high you are. If you are WAY up there then you might was to worry about your estro and prolactin before your boner and get on letro. Letro will make you limp as well but solve one issue at a time. To many people type to battle it all at once and to me it just takes longer. There is a reason why your dick is not working properly. Find out why, then take the appropriate drug to battle what is wrong on labs. If the drug makes your dick not work either so what just get back to normal first.