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[629]

Hey everyone, thanks for coming in, I appreciate any and all help and advice I will get here.


1) Age: 22.5, 23 in June
2) Weight and Percent BodyFat: 195 lbs, 22% BF
3) Years of Consistant Training experience: Began training February 2011, seriously training since February 2012
4) Previous Cycle experience: None
6) Cycle Goals: Mass/recomp if possible


That's my basic info. Long story short is I've been obese most of my life, started 40% 240lbs in February 2011, worked my way down to where I am now. Suffered 2 herniated discs, 1 bulging in low back from stupid training. Went through months of hellish pain, physical therapy, and epidurals. None of it worked until I started being proactive and making my health a top priority. Today my back is no longer an issue, I suffer no symptoms and do heavy leg exercises including RDLs (occasionally front squat, no deads). Routine is lifting 5 times a week, cardio after every session. Over the past several months I have become increasingly strict with diet. High protein (150-180g), moderate carbs (150-200g), moderate fats (100-130g). At the moment I am trying to lean out.


By cycling I am hoping to add 5-8+ lbs of raw muscle that I can successfully retain as well as dropping some fat. Before making this post I thoroughly read Anabolics 2009 and made 10+ pages of notes to read up on. I'm hoping I have at least a basic working knowledge of AAS.


Proposed cycle:


12 Weeks
Test E - 500mg (bi-weekly injections of 250mg)
Methenolone acetate - 100mg/day (Also considered EQ 400mg/week but prefer not to because of advice I have read on here of it's lack of effectiveness)


My reasoning for running the primo on top of the test is to gain some leaning/hardening effect to muscle gained. I would like to run acetate instead of enanthate simply so I do not need to be injecting two compounds per week.


PCT (much of this is based off Anabolics 2009 and truthfully I am confused by conflicting routines I have read on here)
Beginning 2 weeks after last Test E injection


hCG - 2500 IU every other day for 16 days
Clomid - 50mg twice a day for 30 days
Nolvadex - 20mg per day for 45 days


On here I've read about arimidex to take during cycle but I am uncertain of how that would work, need some clarification.


I've got a lot more questions but I don't want to make this too long (as if it isn't already), would appreciate any insight you guys can provide.


Thanks!

[629]

Just to give guys an idea on progress I've already made...

[president]

Thats a pretty aggressive pct

[629]

Thats a pretty aggressive pct

Taken directly from Anabolics 2009

[aja44]

Welcome. There is a Sticky for first cycle advise, I would recommend you read it.

In my opion, your bodyfat is way to high right now to run a cycle, I would highly advise you to continue dialing in your diet, eating clean, up your cardio and add in some HIIT on your off days or mornings if you can swing it. You have only been working out seriously for less than a year, you dont need to cycle, you need some patience and put in more hard work in order to then reap the gains your looking for.

[rage racing]

Not ready for gear yet but very impressive transformation so far. Keep up the good work.

[the_predator]

That should be every bodies first thread layout asking for cycle advice. You gave us all stats and history. Reps for that and losing so much weight already! Unfortunately you are not going to like what I have to say next. I don't think you are ready for a cycle just yet. You still don't even have a full years serious training under your belt. You should train for a few more years and work on the body fat. So far you are doing an outstanding job cutting down. Keep up the good work. Remember DIET IS KEY!

[629]

Thanks everybody for the responses. I will continue working hard for the next year and re-evaluate where I'm at.

[629]

Just out of curiosity though what is the general consensus on primo? any difference between acetate/enan besides oral/injectable?

[longworthb]

Oral bioavailability is low on primo so really no point in the oral. Plus primo needs to be run high dose and long period of time to get the benefits. Ull get more out of say mast then u will primo. Same benefits etc and cheaper

[blergs.]

Oral bioavailability is low on primo so really no point in the oral. Plus primo needs to be run high dose and long period of time to get the benefits. Ull get more out of say mast then u will primo. Same benefits etc and cheaper

agreed

i liekd primo but SOO MUCH DAMN OIL TO PIN! I like maste and test over it. thats cost (and possible fakes) aside