Cycle Advice, spring cutter/lean bulker

**OnesAndWeights** · 01-10-2013, 11:42 PM

Hey all. Been browsing forums like ironmag for quite a while. Also been around gear before. Have a few PH cycles under my belt (epi, 11oxo, Hdrol, pmag) and a test cycle as well (12 weeks at 500 test prop/week and epi the last 6). Trying to plan out a cycle to finish up the end of my current cut.

Stats: 25 years old, 215lbs, 14% as per calipers. Lifting 4 years or so.

Currently on a 5 day split:
Chest/tris
Legs
Off
Arms
Shoulders
Back
Off

Cutting natty after a slightly over zealous winter bulk. Plan to prime my body for a cycle this time around to maximize everything.

Diet: Maint is somewhere around 2900, so I'm eating around 2300kcals a day, doing IF, using a carb cycling approach with weekend refeeds high carb at maintenance. HIIT on a stationary bike 3 days a week, heavy bag cardio twice a week, and LISS walking a treadmill at an incline post workout.

Would like to get down to around 10-12% prior to cycling.

Cycle thoughts:

1-12 Test E @ 250mg/wk
1-12 Tren E @ 400mg/wk
1-4 Tbol @ 50mg ED or SDMz2.0 or SD
1-14 Exemestane starting at 12.5mg EoD and adjusting as needed.
Prami @ .25 EoD then adjust. Is this the right dosage, or do I need to up it to ED?

PCT:
15-19 Clomid 50/50/50/25/25
14-18 DAA @ 3g Ed
15-21 0/0/3/3/2/1/1eod

Looking for thoughts on a closer for this cycle. Maybe Var @ 50 from week 8-14 or Winny the same.

Looking to gain strength back after this cut and still lose some body fat. If I gain weight, nbd as long as I'm not gaining much fat. Ideally, I'd like to be able to get this to take me sub 10%. Have experience with Clen and T3 as well, and probably going to purchase some from MaximPep soon with their amazing deals. T3 through cycle at about 50mcg and ramping down at the end. Clen 2 on 2 off throughout.

Figuring I'd eat about 3400 cals or so, 340g P, 255g C, 115g F.

Any thoughts on this? Diet or cycle advice are greatly appreciated. Thanks!

**OnesAndWeights** · 01-11-2013, 06:38 PM

Bump for teh swoleeeezzz

**Nok** · 01-11-2013, 06:56 PM

well i'm a noob still myself, but i think unless you have done Tren before you should stick with Acetate. in case the sides get too bad, the shit will clear quicker.

i myself am waiting on a couple bottles of Tren Ace actually. hopefully all goes well and i can use Enanthate next time around.

also, why so many compounds? i think if you are trying to lean bulk, test prop would be the better choice out of the 3 kinds. less bloat and shit. so test prop and tren a. that's a pretty good cycle in itself...

maybe throw in some var for shits and giggles.

more is not always better bro you kno?

**hypo_glycemic** · 01-11-2013, 06:59 PM

I'd drop the prami. I only know a hand full of people that shit doesn't make completely ill

**OnesAndWeights** · 01-11-2013, 08:20 PM

Alright. Only reason I chose Prami is because I've read a lot of folks get their sleep on really well afterwards. Just a precaution for the tren-somnia.

And I hear you on the more isn't always best part. I obviously wasn't gonna run everything I said. Since I was running enanthate esters, I figured a kicker would be good til the oils kicked in. Then var/Winny to harden up. That's the only reason I considered mast prop.

As far as running prop and ace, I've considered it. Only thing is I have the test E already and have a really good deal on Tren E lined up. I know you gotta pay to play, but it's just more convenient this way. Less pinning too. But if it's worth it to go the prop/ace side of things, I'll see if I can grab some.

**Nok** · 01-11-2013, 08:24 PM

AMA has a buy two get one free Tren Ace deal right now. Might check them out.

I got some on the way.

**Z499** · 01-11-2013, 08:41 PM

running prolactrone? 2 tabs daily

**longworthb** · 01-11-2013, 08:58 PM

Originally Posted by hypo_glycemic

I'd drop the prami. I only know a hand full of people that shit doesn't make completely ill

Fucking right. Shit gave me a badass headache and made me sick to my stomach and that was at .2. My advice pyramid up bro otherwise ur gonna be feeling the sides pretty bad. Also run ace instead of e. if u start getting the tren sides it'll clear out faster if u can't hang. I love tren but its just not for some people. Good choice on the low test high tren too bro. Looks like uve done ur research. If u need any help feel free to pm me. Also think about running prop tren ace and mast. U could run cut mix at 1 ml a day

**longworthb** · 01-11-2013, 09:07 PM

Originally Posted by Z499

running prolactrone? 2 tabs daily

Also this. I was running prolactrone at 3 caps a day and it was working really well till my supply ran low and I switched to prami. If it keeps making me feel like this even at a low dose of say .125 starting to pyramid up I'm going to have to get some caber

**OnesAndWeights** · 01-11-2013, 11:11 PM

I may just run caber or prolactrone instead of the prami. Or start wayyyyyyy low.

Looking into the prop and ace. Running it at 50/75 4 days a week too low for test/tren? Or should I up it more?

**longworthb** · 01-12-2013, 02:47 AM

Dose looks good bro. If u are one of the lucky ones and don't get too many sides from tren u can go to those doses every day. Then hang on. The tren train is one hell of a ride bro. Ull never want to run anything else lol

**OnesAndWeights** · 01-13-2013, 08:17 PM

Alright. So, source said it's gonna be a while before he'd be able to get tren back in stock. Problem with his supplier, dunno when it'll be solved. In the mean time, that means I may end up changing up this cycle as I'm NOW looking at purchasing this week and starting at the beginning of February.

So, now I'm wondering what to run. Test/mast prop with Winny tail is what I'm leaning towards, but if there's another option available to me, I'm all ears. Although if test/tren is what I should run, I may have to check out another source. His prices are just too damn good.

**Z499** · 01-13-2013, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by OnesAndWeights

I may just run caber or prolactrone instead of the prami. Or start wayyyyyyy low.

Looking into the prop and ace. Running it at 50/75 4 days a week too low for test/tren? Or should I up it more?

I just did some reading and prolactrone helps stimulate production of hgh

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**jay_steel** · 01-14-2013, 10:31 AM

I wouldn't run anavar at week 8 thats allot of orals to be running. Also Var at 50mg is a waste, I would just run the tbol a bit longer or cruise on test and mast. I plan on starting all my cruises with 300 test and 300 mast or 400 mast. Mast is very mild and can be ran REALLY high with all most no sides. It will actually help reduce the sides of your cycle by converting your DHT back over to test. Instead of converting it to estrogen.

**Swfl** · 01-14-2013, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by OnesAndWeights

Alright. Only reason I chose Prami is because I've read a lot of folks get their sleep on really well afterwards. Just a precaution for the tren-somnia.

And I hear you on the more isn't always best part. I obviously wasn't gonna run everything I said. Since I was running enanthate esters, I figured a kicker would be good til the oils kicked in. Then var/Winny to harden up. That's the only reason I considered mast prop.

As far as running prop and ace, I've considered it. Only thing is I have the test E already and have a really good deal on Tren E lined up. I know you gotta pay to play, but it's just more convenient this way. Less pinning too. But if it's worth it to go the prop/ace side of things, I'll see if I can grab some.

First time I ran Tren I went with the E cuz I was scared pinning eod or ed. The E went beautifully! No sides and slept like a baby. It was a cut mix and worked great. I'm running tren A this time around it is much more powerful. I sleep but very light. It must be dose dependent. If u have the long esters go for it just be prepared mentally. It might suck for you, or it could be awsome!

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