Cycle advice

**froria** · 01-14-2013, 02:09 PM

Hi guys hope you all had a good xmass.

So I am now regretfully 39 with around 16% bf. I have done 2 previous cycles 1st being test250 and deca, 2nd cycle was test400 deca and var I used var the first 4 weeks on this and ran the other 2 weeks 1-12 I tried some all in one PCT oral pills but It made me feel really depressed so I dont think Ill be going down that route again. I kept about 50% gain off the cycle. I am 200lbs 5'11 inch Diet is going to be 3500cal on cycle I might reduce it after seeing what results I get after 4 weeks.

I am looking at this for the next cycle and I know some people will warn about the test and deca.

So
Anavar weeks 1-8
Test400 1-16
deca 1-12
tren 1-12

pct still pondering. I know there is poss of big shut don on this and was thinging of runing HCG during cycle.

Thanks for all your input guys

I have not run tren ever and I am not sure on ml yet. Im just curious about everyone opinion on the compounds

**the_predator** · 01-14-2013, 05:25 PM

Check out the thread " need a little help" by 1gasdiver or something! It still should be close to the top of the page. It's right up your alley.

**jay_steel** · 01-14-2013, 05:37 PM

i am not a fan of running 2 19-nor's together and at your experience level. If i were to run that cycle it would be with npp and not deca. I would drop the deca. Deca also is better ran longer like 16 weeks. at 12 weeks you will be stopping right when it gets fun.

**longworthb** · 01-14-2013, 05:49 PM

The OTC pct shit is exactly that. Shit. For a cycle like ur wanting to run use a serm. And it's not a possibility of being shut down......u will be shut down and hard

**longworthb** · 01-14-2013, 05:51 PM

And usually var is ran at the end to harden up

**s2h** · 01-14-2013, 10:24 PM

Can the var..waste of money in the first 8 wks...exp has nothing to do with sides from aas...you either get em.or youbdont...its not.like your body all the sudden loves tren after 2 runs....deca/tren can be together but why...run test and tren and see hiw that works...got to many things going on for no.real reason...

**Mike Arnold** · 01-15-2013, 02:16 AM

At your age, if you wann give Tren a shot...go for it.

**froria** · 01-17-2013, 02:07 PM

OK How about
500mg EQ 1-16
300mg tren 1-16
250mg test e 1-16
50mg Tbol 1-4(poss), 12-16
How is Tbol on the LDL cholesterol and HDL cholesterol, Would it be better to run the Tbol on weeks 12-16 only?

Or the latter of VAR instead of Tbol on 12-16. I know var is harsh on the HDL

**Mike Arnold** · 01-17-2013, 11:45 PM

Originally Posted by froria

OK How about
500mg EQ 1-16
300mg tren 1-16
250mg test e 1-16
50mg Tbol 1-4(poss), 12-16
How is Tbol on the LDL cholesterol and HDL cholesterol, Would it be better to run the Tbol on weeks 12-16 only?

Or the latter of VAR instead of Tbol on 12-16. I know var is harsh on the HDL

All orals can potentially ruin your lipid profile.

**muscleicon** · 01-18-2013, 07:32 AM

I would run two compounds and one oral for this round Bro, dont rush into a bunch of different compounds, you wont know whats doing what. If you run tren, you will need to play around with the test/tren ratio to assess your tolerance and there are plenty of other post of the ratio but the bottom line is that you have to find what works best for you. IMO. What are you trying to accomplish...recomp, strength?

**oufinny** · 01-18-2013, 08:31 AM

I was going to say, your cycle ideas are all over the place. State your goal, then plan your cycle to match the goals with your diet and training being key, the AAS is the easy part once you have it outlined.

**jay_steel** · 01-18-2013, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by froria

OK How about
500mg EQ 1-16
300mg tren 1-16
250mg test e 1-16
50mg Tbol 1-4(poss), 12-16
How is Tbol on the LDL cholesterol and HDL cholesterol, Would it be better to run the Tbol on weeks 12-16 only?

Or the latter of VAR instead of Tbol on 12-16. I know var is harsh on the HDL

I would drop the tbol out honestly maybe run it at the end. That tren is going to be hard enough and give you great gains. I only like to run orals either for contest prep or long aas. Only thing I would do is maybe kick up your eq a little. I like it at over 700. EQ is VERY tame and I read some where that the FDA even says its not hard at 1200mg. That looks like a good cycle though should lean out hard. Maybe go to prop though and put .5 cc of prop with each tren injection instead of the test e.

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