Thread: first cycle

Originally Posted by komatsu

Hi everyone I am new to the forum, so Hi!!
i am going to start my first cycle within a weeks time.
this is my stats. 30 years old, length 1.74, weight 227 lbs, 20% bodyfat, training for 3 years.

this is what i have, 20ml test prop, 20 ml sustanon 250, 10ml Deca 300, 50 anavar, tamoxifeen, for pct: 1 amp Pregnyl 5000iu and nolvadex

would you split this into two cycles or or would you just do all at once? also give some advice regarding dossage per week.
thanks!!

What is the test prop mg/ml? To be safe just start with the sustanon since it's your first cycle. But you only have enough for 10 weeks @2ml/wk which is about where you'll want to be for your first run, only pinning 1ml is basically TRT. It would be a good "test the water" cycle, To make sure your ok with pinning and all. The prop means pinning Eod or Ed. Sust = every week but I'd break it down into twice a week1ml say Sunday and another on Thursday. You could come off of that with just the nolva no prob. This would give you time to get some more gear for a proper cycle.

Sust should be injected 3x a week at least imo, but you could run the Sust for 10 weeks at 500mg a week, and use either the anavar or prop as a kickstart. I wouldn't advise deca for a first cycle as its very suppressive, and IMO youd be better off running your hcg through your whole cycle. Divide it to 250iu 2x a week, or if you can get more do 500iu 2x a week and mix it with your sust injection even. Make sure you refrigerate after you mix the hcg as well. You will need an AI as you didn't list one, I would use arimidex to keep it simple and cheap or aromasin if you prefer. Adex at .25mg a day should work for you, or 12.5mg aromasin daily. Run sust for 10 weeks, wait two weeks and begin tamoxifen at 40mg a day first week, 20-30mg a day for 3 more weeks. If you can I would add aromasin as well to your pct. If you decide to use anavar or prop kickstart I would run the var at at least 50-70mg, or test prop at 100mg every other day for first four weeks. You can run var for 6-8 weeks even if you have enough. Thats a pretty good first cycle IMO, if I could change anything would probably use test E or C instead of sust, and bump up your hcg dose a bit. Don't forget an AI and if possible dose sust 3x a week or EOD even, two times a week will work if necessary but you can even use very small insulin pins to do small injections and its very painless. As long as you are lean enough to hit muscle in a few places it may be an idea worth looking at. Otherwise I would generally use a 21-23ga. to draw and a 25ga pin to inject, switch tips after you draw and make sure you swab your vial and skin with alcohol before injection

All the AI seems to be overkill for a first run of test IMO. It might be wise to have it on hand but I seriously doubt you'll need it, however everyone is different. Keep it simple for the first run that way you can tell what works for you and how. Slowly add other compounds as you progress in your cycles. Unless I lost my mind test sust is a blend of 3 or4 different esters it kicks in like prop but stays with you. 2x wk should be fine based on your avail quantities. You could throw in a ml of the prop to bump it a bit but I'd save all that for a deca or tren cycle later on. You'll need it then.

good luck.

Hi thanks alot for the feedback. you are confirming what i actually thought, was a bit nervous to take the deca now already. I will then take the Test sus (4 different esters) en prop with the anavar as you suggested. The test prop is 100mg/ml. arent the tomoxifeen for during the cycle to prevent gyno etc? my supplier also suggested that i run the anavar after the 10 weak cycle with the pregnyl. but i will run the pregnal 2x a weak with the test and 5000iu as a pct with the nolvadex. so you suggest i use the anavar weak 1-8 rather than on the end of the cycle? I can get some more test to extend the cycle to 12 weaks!
I will keep you posted!
thanks again.

You know that nolva and tamox are the same?

Hi Sloppyj, no I did not know. I thought tamoxifen is the same as arimidex and aromasin. Should i then rather get aroasin for during the cycle and just use the tamoxifen for Pct with the pregnyl?
thanks!

ill never run deca again... I would go limp with a rubber on period. My wife and I use protection because we do not want kids and the pill surpresses her sex drive. With out the pill its an every day I cant keep her off me type of thing. So long story short deca is my worst enamy. I also ran it pretty high as well. My advice is start out with the anavar at 50mg and sust at 500mg. The sust will kick in fast so no reason for the prop. If you add prop to it that would put in WAY to much test for your first cycle and if the prop is good and its your first time pinning prop hurts well sust is a bitch to on virgin muscle.

I started with sust and dbol though 500 sust and 20mg dbol love it. First shot I could not sit down right.

Sust was my first injectable cycle. Most guys don't like it but when I'm not running tren and want to run high test and another compound like eq it's sust all the way. Kicks in faster but the different esters can be a pain in the ass if u don't dose correctly. Take jays advice bro. He knows what he's talking about

Hi i am starting my cycle on monday. this is how i am going to do it. Sustanon 250 evry 4 days with 250 hcg every 4 days during teh cycle with 50mg anavar ed. going to keep aromasin on hand for during the cycle if any sides become an issue and the nolvadex for pct. I also dropped the deca and got 20ml enanthate 250 instead for second cycle later in the year. Just one qeusting, i would like to extend the cycle to 12 weeks. Can i use the sus for 10 weeks 500mg per week and then prop for the last two weaks to make it a twelve week cycle. Prop 2.5ml every 4 days?
Cheers!!!

Actually that's a pretty good idea. The prop ester will clear ur system faster and u just start pct sooner. If the sust has the deconate ester it does take a little while to clear so pct might be started later then u would have just running prop but still running prop would still be ok. Also run it eod to keep levels stable

Hi, Lomgwortb I also have the enanthate now 20ml @ 250mg/ml. Would you rather use the enanthate instead of the sustanon? I see there is a lot of mix feelings regarding the sustanon, but some also got some nice gains from it. also what can i use to keep the water retention down if it occurs. (will the aromasn do the trick).
Thanks for the feedback!

Originally Posted by komatsu

Hi i am starting my cycle on monday. this is how i am going to do it. Sustanon 250 evry 4 days with 250 hcg every 4 days during teh cycle with 50mg anavar ed. going to keep aromasin on hand for during the cycle if any sides become an issue and the nolvadex for pct. I also dropped the deca and got 20ml enanthate 250 instead for second cycle later in the year. Just one qeusting, i would like to extend the cycle to 12 weeks. Can i use the sus for 10 weeks 500mg per week and then prop for the last two weaks to make it a twelve week cycle. Prop 2.5ml every 4 days?
Cheers!!!

Looks like you did your homework! This sounds like a solid plan for first cycle. You'll have to adjust the prop to EOD or ED frankly with the Sust in there it will be active for at least 2 weeks after your last shot. More like 4 weeks before its close to clearing so you could just drop the Prop alltogether and be cool just start your PCT 4 weeks after last shot. Most guys rush into PCT not considering how long the long esters take to clear. I made that mistake on my first cycle. started PCT 2 weeks after last shot ran it for 4 weeks felt great! then the next 4 weeks were hell the PCT was basically wasted cuz all the residual T floating around in my system didnt clear till after the PCT...

Hi Swfl thanks. I am very exited. there was a bit of a delay. Only starting to pin toninght, will be my first injection. But al is ready. if i can ask you something would you rather use the enanthate instead of the sustanon as Digitalash said he would use e instead. i have 20ml enanthate (250mg/ml), 20ml sustanon (250mg/ml) and 20ml prop @ 100mg/ml. Otherwise i am just going to stay with test sust for 10 weaks, then and then 2 weaks prop and the anavar everyday for last 6 weaks of the cycle.
Thanks wil let you know how it progressis through the weaks.

Everyone seems to have a different opinion on that one... Here's my 2 cents.. Sust will kick in faster. E will take about 2 weeks for you to really start feeling it. So I'd say to maximize your cycle go Sust then prop.
thats the short answer for more detailed exp send me a PM

Dis my first pin tonight of Test sustanon. It was absolutely painles. Only started to feel it a half and hour afterwords.
Cheers

Eat, lift, fuck have fun!

Most certainly going to enjoy it . Must say my glute has a nice sting in it. Nothing red or swolen at the injection site. but my bum is stinging a bit !! nothing unbearable.

Is it normal for your ass to be so numb after Sustanon injection. holy crap i am suppose to do legs today but there is no way i will be able to do sqauds with my ass on fire!

You are just opening the muscles up to injection for the first time. There in a bit of shock it could last a few days or up to a week. Just watch for signs of infection. Train other areas instead... You will need to be flexible in your routine till things settle down, that or just suck it up...

Yeah first shot of Sust hurts. I couldn't walk right for 5 days. It'll get better after each shot. You won't notice any pain by the mid to end of cycle.

Thanks!!! i will check for infection altough i cannot even see where te needle went in, can only feel it. My dentist gave me the shot. Really appreciate the forum, would have been scary to do this stuff and not be able to speak about it and to go through it without advise. thanks for the feedback Went through the leg routine with today though.

Just want to hear somthing. I have 20ml Testaplex from axio. it is the one with the blue lable and yellow top which reads on the top (Axio qaulity assurance). expires 12/2013 so probably manufactured 2010 -2011. Do you know if these ones are legit?
Cheers

This is how the testaplex e250 looks like what i have, intend to use September.

Welcome to the board Kamatsu ! There is a lot of knowledge with some of the guys here. Sust twice a week will rock you for a first run for sure. I think you should realy focus on diet now. 20% body fat is bit high, and the problem with that is your more susceptible to sides like gyno ? So good luck, have fun, research PCT and diet till your eyes fall out ( lol ).

Hi, Rider yes certainly. already lost 1kg in the last two weaks. its not a lot but i was 103 and are standing on 100.5 now. So gradually but slowly i am melting the fat. My diet is clean for a while already now. I just made one mistake a few months ago regarding supplements which contained to much suger. using pure whey now with 1.9g fat per serving and 2.0g carbs per serving. Can put my head down lost almost three kg buy just changing to a better type of whey protein much much much less carbs and fat percentage per serving. its more expensive but i think worth it. Would like to come down to around 95kg of lean mass.

At the moment all is going good. had my third shot this morning in my front qaud. holy s*** the the pain is even worse in the qaud than in the glude. no sighn of any sides at the moment. Hope it stays that way. But have everything on hand if there is a problem. Is it possible that I could have picked up 1kg in a weaks time already?
Cheers!!!

Hi When will the sustanon start to kick in. everywhere i read it says about weak 4.

Sust should kick in sooner then that. About week 2 u will start seeing it. 4 weeks is when test e or cyp starts to kick in