Thread: 20 year old first cycle come critique but not scold

money is also an issue... will having no AI be a problem? is my PCT ok with just nolva? will i recovery decently? I plan this to be my ONLY cycle ever

pct should be 4 weeks at least, there is absolutely no guarantee whatsoever that you will recover... some people end up having to run trt for the rest of their lives because they ran a simple cycle and got fucked up. it's the price some pay (not a bad price though to be honest)


you will need an AI, especially since you in fact, are a lardass


6 feet tall 190lbs at 20% (likely higher) means you dont know dick about eating or training, you should fix that




you are young, and if you run this cycle, it wont be your last.. you can take that one to the bank

okay then SD how do you recommend the PCT to be run? 40/40/20/20?

what AI do you recommend and how to run it?


As for eating and training.. recently got educated in nutrition and body has been recomping nicely on rippetoes SS

and yes i want a boost, and yes im young and dont need it but i also... dont care.

I'm going to do it anyway and would prefer help over flaming

Originally Posted by koolguyluis

okay then SD how do you recommend the PCT to be run? 40/40/20/20?

what AI do you recommend and how to run it?


As for eating and training.. recently got educated in nutrition and body has been recomping nicely on rippetoes SS

and yes i want a boost, and yes im young and dont need it but i also... dont care.

I'm going to do it anyway and would prefer help over flaming

i wasnt flaming you, just giving you the truth. I was your age when i started, and i said "this will be my only cycle"... look at me now..

anyways, 40/40/20/20 is standard procedure for nolvadex, you should look into adex .5mg EOD or aromasin 12.5mg 2x day


a lot of users pct with clomid 100/100/75/75 or so and an aromasin taper

Many of the sponsors here sell great for reasonable pricing.

To be honest if I were you I'd work on dialing diet in to get to 12-15% bf then do the cycle as planned. There will be guaranteed less sides plus with diet dialed in already natty, the cycle will go much farther than it would if you're still figuring out diet. Just my $.02.

And that wouldn't take long at all. With the right help (which you can easily get here) you could drop to 12-13%bf within 3-4 weeks and be ready for the cycle.

Btw I'm only 23

Originally Posted by BlueJayMuscle

Many of the sponsors here sell great for reasonable pricing.

To be honest if I were you I'd work on dialing diet in to get to 12-15% bf then do the cycle as planned. There will be guaranteed less sides plus with diet dialed in already natty, the cycle will go much farther than it would if you're still figuring out diet. Just my $.02.

And that wouldn't take long at all. With the right help (which you can easily get here) you could drop to 12-13%bf within 3-4 weeks and be ready for the cycle.

Btw I'm only 23

same age bro!!! <fist bump>


3 cheers for doing drugs that have potentially very serious ramifications at a very young age!

If ur gonna do it, be sure to think it through.. I started at 21 and by 23 I decided I was gonna stay in and cruise..I recently came off all hormones, and my total test is now 380. Previous to cycling it was 680, not trying to scare u, just telling you. Coming off blows
Fir pct I'd say use clomid
Hit me up if u want.

Keith

The fact that you said this will be your only cycle ever.. does in fact tell me you are not ready to even touch anything.. IMO what is the point to running one cycle, 500mg TEST isn't going to do much for you, without proper diet and training. Are you ready to mess with your natural hormone levels? The fact that you asked if an AI was needed also says your not ready. Oh and again with your bodyfat at 20% at 6', please go back to the drawing board, get your diet in check, lose some of that body fat then work in AAS.
Steroids are not a miracle drug, they simply help aide one in the right direction but ONLY with proper diet/nutrition, training and rest. Remember your grow first in the kitchen, then the gym.
What kind of supplements are you taking? Get on a good solid supplement regimen. There are many good supplements that will help you with your goals. Even some great PH here on IML.
You said that money is an issue, well please get all your stuff that you need before you jump the gun at starting your cycle!! If you end up half way through the cycle and need something, but don't have the money, well guess what you just fucked yourself.

I'm not in anyway trying to bash, I'm just stating from experience. But like you said your going to do it anyway and we can't stop you.

If your going to do it anyway and not listen to the warnings add clomid during PCT and add d-bol to the first 4 weeks.

This will not be your last cycle I promise you.

Thanks guys, im definitely hearing what you guys are saying. and you guys are right. okay. i wont be mr cheap on my cycle then, i actually do have the funds

skinnyguy i hear ya, but i dont wanna mix steroids i wanna just do test


Assumming im just doing 500 mg test for 10 weeks, can you guys give me a good PCT and what AI to run on cycle to keep everything safe

and fine who knows this might not be my first cycle, i love drugs and i might just come back

and why do you guys just assume that just because i have an unhealthy body composition atm that I do not know proper nutrition and training?

I am not just going to blow money on gear and not know what to do with it wtf

Originally Posted by koolguyluis

Testosterone Enanthate 500mg (250mg every 3 days) for 10 weeks

PCT: 40mg nolvadex per day for 1 week
20mg per day for 1 week



Im 20 and my BF percentage is ~ 20% weighing in at around 190 lbs 6'0

ik how to lift and diet. starting AAS because weight loss of ~ 100 lbs over the course of 1 yr severely brought down my LBM along with fat


I am definitely open to critique on the cycle, but i will cycle anyway. what are your guyses thoughts? what worries me is my high bf %, but also im not a lardass as u can tell by my weight and height


Goal is to hit a decent LBM and cut the remaining fat because i am at an unhealthy body composition

no offense bud, but if your 20% bf, then you in fact do not know how to diet. Get that diet in order and read heavys sticky on first cycles. Everything's laid out perfect in that

Originally Posted by koolguyluis

and why do you guys just assume that just because i have an unhealthy body composition atm that I do not know proper nutrition and training?

I am not just going to blow money on gear and not know what to do with it wtf

Please provide what you eat on a daily basis?

Originally Posted by koolguyluis

and why do you guys just assume that just because i have an unhealthy body composition atm that I do not know proper nutrition and training?

I am not just going to blow money on gear and not know what to do with it wtf

lol what?

Ok kid first off I don't care what age you are do Aas wen you feel you are ready. But I will say this.

1. You are way to fat to even worry about taking anabolics yet. You should learn to train right and diet first before you consider taking test at all. Maybe cut down to around 15% then start. Honestly get an Eca stack and take that right now to lean down and get in shape...you grow better when your metabolism is higher.

2. Your pct sucks. Clomid at 100ed for one week and 50ed for three weeks and you are good. Test at 500 mg a week isn't high enough to cause drastic blood label fluctuations so no ai needed. But a decent pct will help you.

Those are all I got good luck and be smart. Lean down first then start.

Originally Posted by koolguyluis

and why do you guys just assume that just because i have an unhealthy body composition atm that I do not know proper nutrition and training?

I am not just going to blow money on gear and not know what to do with it wtf

because you are chubby with very little muscle?

oh thats right.

Listen to these guys. They know what they are talkin about. Im 37 i just started but like you im a little on the fat side...prob somewhere betweeen 18-20%. I retain a lot of water dude. My cheeks get fat amd my stomach pokes out bad...its not so much added fat its just bloating. They told me it would happen but i started another cycle anyway..lolProbably wouldnt be that bad with out all the extra padding around the waste which is the only place i have it thank god. And it wont be ur last dude..once you get a taste of test and that animal instict kicks in while you are lifting, weight training will never be the same again. Read first cycle sticky and pay attention to the clark kent/superman section..lol

500mg of test a week you wont see to much of a change in your body. you might as well just do it naturally. its not a miracle drug. you get most of it from proper training and diet. you could take 1200 mg a week but if you dont give it 110% you wont get nothing but big tits and ass. you need to get high protein low carbs. lot of cardio. kill it at the gym and take advice from some of these guys and you cant go wrong. best of luck.

500mg test e/ week

.5mg anastrozole every other day (AI)

pct:
clomid 50/50/25/25

bluejay clear your inbox you dick

Originally Posted by koolguyluis

and why do you guys just assume that just because i have an unhealthy body composition atm that I do not know proper nutrition and training?

I am not just going to blow money on gear and not know what to do with it wtf

It does not matter how much you know about it, it matters if you have the will power to do it. At 20% bf that clearly shows a lack in will power and it is forcing you to resort to drugs. My personal opinion is steriod usage should be some thing you earn not some thing you have a right to. I told my self after becoming a fat ass. I was 6% from 16-23 and then 26% at 26 after going through severe PTSD. At 26 i wanted to compete in bodybuilding after meeting a guy who just won the NPC CA show in open and middle weight. I told my self once I get down to 12% I will run test. I busted my ass to get to 12% and started my first cycle. My diet still was not there though. I did not have proper eating habits just trained my ass off. Two years later I finally got a solid diet and made more gains in the past 3 weeks then I did in the past year.

I feel you should prove to your self that your responsible to manage a actual diet before you jump to gear or your just throwing away your money. You have no clue how many guys I know that drop 300 a month on var and test that are 24% thinking its going to get them lean, but they look the same years later.

i used to be 290 lbs.. a huge great fat guy. when i started losing weight it was in an unhealthy way which lead to my unhealthy body comp, i learned nutrition somewhere at around 230 lbs and finished cutting at 190, dont look fat with a shirt on but obviously i am unhealthy.

im not trying to use gear as a shortcut because i have no dedication wtf. i cut, and i hate how i ended so i just want to build some mass real quick before i finish fixing my body. this is also the best time for me financially because as a college student i get unlimited free meals, if i wait then i wont be able to afford my high quality lean chicken and milk and all that

Originally Posted by koolguyluis

i used to be 290 lbs.. a huge great fat guy. when i started losing weight it was in an unhealthy way which lead to my unhealthy body comp, i learned nutrition somewhere at around 230 lbs and finished cutting at 190, dont look fat with a shirt on but obviously i am unhealthy.

im not trying to use gear as a shortcut because i have no dedication wtf. i cut, and i hate how i ended so i just want to build some mass real quick before i finish fixing my body. this is also the best time for me financially because as a college student i get unlimited free meals, if i wait then i wont be able to afford my high quality lean chicken and milk and all that

Is Basket Weaving your major or minor?

Originally Posted by Nok

500mg test e/ week

.5mg anastrozole every other day (AI)

pct:
clomid 50/50/25/25

Im liking this but why did you suggest clomid over nolva? i read nolva has less sides and can be taken at half the dosage

Originally Posted by OfficerFarva

Is Basket Weaving your major or minor?

uh.. im actually pre med.

anyway i came here for critique on a cycle gentlemen. I already have a mother, I get enough of this at home.

I'm going to end up doing the test, the anastrozole, and nolva.

so unless anyone has any input or a way to cycle much more safely then i guess this is the end of the thread

Originally Posted by koolguyluis

uh.. im actually pre med.

anyway i came here for critique on a cycle gentlemen. I already have a mother, I get enough of this at home.

LOL!!! Pre-med hahahahahahaha. You're a fucking retard, the most you could EVER hope to be is a natural homeopathic doctor and even than that's setting the bar unrealistically high. Thanks for the laugh bro, I needed it.