Thread: igf1 DES pinned IM + humalg Pre-workout

i heard igf can promote growth of cancer cells which kinda scared me off. hows it working for ya

Originally Posted by heckler7

i heard igf can promote growth of cancer cells which kinda scared me off. hows it working for ya

havent done anything yet, this is the point of the thread, to collect thoughts

Very expensive.. is it worth it? I guess I'll follow this and see what you think.

Originally Posted by BlueJayMuscle

Very expensive.. is it worth it? I guess I'll follow this and see what you think.

typical dose is 50mcg pinned bilaterally only pre-workout.. ergopep supposedly sells quite a des product at $24 a mg. if you use the typical dose and train 5x a week that's $12 a week... typical cycle is 4 on 4 off like humalog.


not that pricy IMO

well.. since no one wants to give me info/opinions on it, i guess i have no choice but to give it a shot and let all of you know! haha


will place an order tommorrow and will start a log as soon as it gets here




oh yeah, and it does speed up cancer, but anything that can cause cell proliferation will do that.. you just have to look at your genetics i suppose. Not a single case of cancer in my entire chain-smoking/alchoholic family

Originally Posted by Standard Donkey

well.. since no one wants to give me info/opinions on it, i guess i have no choice but to give it a shot and let all of you know! haha


will place an order tommorrow and will start a log as soon as it gets here




oh yeah, and it does speed up cancer, but anything that can cause cell proliferation will do that.. you just have to look at your genetics i suppose. Not a single case of cancer in my entire chain-smoking/alchoholic family

It actually causes cell differentiation..not proliferation. It basically assigns new cells as muscle cells. MGF causes proliferation.

Originally Posted by Pittsburgh63

It actually causes cell differentiation..not proliferation. It basically assigns new cells as muscle cells. MGF causes proliferation.

well i guess that's that


have u ever used DES before bro? if so, what'd u think?

Originally Posted by Standard Donkey

well i guess that's that


have u ever used DES before bro? if so, what'd u think?

Yes..have a fridge full..lol. I'm pretty impressed with it. I've been using 200mcgs split bilat preworkout. The pumps are killer.

send me some



ive read that it's best to do a small warm up at the gym of the muscles ur going to pin, then pin em.. what say you to that? (thanks for your input btw)

Originally Posted by Standard Donkey

send me some



ive read that it's best to do a small warm up at the gym of the muscles ur going to pin, then pin em.. what say you to that? (thanks for your input btw)

If you could do a log.. I could probably set something up with Labpe.

I've seen guys pin pre and intra workout. I've never personally tried it to attest to it's effectiveness...but being that DES has such a short halflife, I would have to assume it would be very effective that way.

Originally Posted by Pittsburgh63

If you could do a log.. I could probably set something up with Labpe.

I've seen guys pin pre and intra workout. I've never personally tried it to attest to it's effectiveness...but being that DES has such a short halflife, I would have to assume it would be very effective that way.

yeah im definitely down to do a log bro, was gonna do one for the folks here combining it with Mike Arnold's humalog protocol.


if there's something you can do for me with Labpe let me know because im going to place an order with EP on monday if nothing happens by then


thanks a ton for your input btw

I'll get with Labpe now and let you know.

Originally Posted by Pittsburgh63

I'll get with Labpe now and let you know.

sweet bro thanks a ton. im gunna get on this stuff ASAP one way or another

Hell yeah. Hope this happens.

I am very down as well to try out DES. Looking into PEG-MGF front load then igf-1 LR3 soon

Ive been wanting to try some DES preworkout and mgf post, Ive heard and read this is supposed to be killer with some humulin r preworkout. Maybe my next slin cycle..

just had another "slinsane" workout, chest/shoulders/triceps following Mike Arnold's pre-workout humalog protocol + 10Iu peri-workout.
i am finding the additional peri-workout humalog causes me to go hypo once i get home and am eating my post workout meal (chicken and white rice), so i am adjusting my carb/protein intake to compensate.

But i had insane pump/endurance/recovery, and good strength considering i am on an AAS cruise ATM.


notes about insulin use:

-is it dangerous? yes, but you have to do it completely wrong. That being said, other examples of things that are dangerous if done absolutely wrong include: driving, swimming, eating, climbing shit, lifting, etc..

-be sure to take potassium, as insulin lowers blood concentrations of potassium and can lead to a potentially fatal condition called hypoalkemia..


-carry glucose tabs with you wherever you go while insulin is active in your system.. it's just plain stupid not to.


-limit your cycles to 4 weeks on, 4 weeks off (just to be totally safe), and only do insulin if you are considerably lean to begin with.


-All things taken into consideration, your biggest fear regarding insulin usage should be getting fat..




Im not going to be taking anymore orals after i have exhausted my current stash (and fulfilled my obligation to steelgear). This will promote my overall health and wellbeing, and i am going to greatly reduce the amount of AAS I use, and the duration of my cycles.

Insulin has been the best decision I have made, drug-wise (besides tren), and i am really looking forward to adding IGF1 DES to the mix.

ive read about DES and listened to a few podcasts with professor filimanov as he talked about DES, the way it works, and the way it should be used. According to him, it is an incredible peptide, but he stated the only way he could see it being effective is if it is administered during your workout while muscle tissue is being damaged. It is an interesting podcast if u find the time to listen to it

Originally Posted by juicespringsteen

ive read about DES and listened to a few podcasts with professor filimanov as he talked about DES, the way it works, and the way it should be used. According to him, it is an incredible peptide, but he stated the only way he could see it being effective is if it is administered during your workout while muscle tissue is being damaged. It is an interesting podcast if u find the time to listen to it

thanks for your post bro! do you have a link to the podcast? if you do please post it here

Originally Posted by Standard Donkey

thanks for your post bro! do you have a link to the podcast? if you do please post it here

yea i'll find it for you if i can. got it on my ipod so it shouldnt be hard to track down

http://www.superhumanradio.com/compo...R_Show_714.mp3

give that link a try.. he gets into the DES discussion after the calf training and igf lr3 talk

Originally Posted by juicespringsteen

http://www.superhumanradio.com/compo...R_Show_714.mp3

give that link a try.. he gets into the DES discussion after the calf training and igf lr3 talk

you're the man brobro

Looking forward to the log. Always interested in different compounds etc

Originally Posted by longworthb

Looking forward to the log. Always interested in different compounds etc

yeee

Originally Posted by juicespringsteen

ive read about DES and listened to a few podcasts with professor filimanov as he talked about DES, the way it works, and the way it should be used. According to him, it is an incredible peptide, but he stated the only way he could see it being effective is if it is administered during your workout while muscle tissue is being damaged. It is an interesting podcast if u find the time to listen to it

I don't know that the IGF has to be introduced as the muscle is being damaged.. as much as after the damage has occurred. MGF is released as a first responder to begin repairing the damaged muscles. MGF causes cell proliferation, but needs IGF to differentiate (assign) the cells before they can begin to grow.


Here's my favorite way to run a pep stack. Just my opinion of what works best.

IGF Des Preworkout (within 10 min to training)
MGF 15-20 minutes post workout
IGF LR3 15-20 minutes after MGF

And of course you can always add in a GHRP/GHRH combo to kick things up a knotch.

And the above is just my personal opinion. No medical degree for this guy.

IGF and slin sounds like the ultimate stack- subbed

I want to see how this works for SD. I'm running hgh and I'd like to get back on the slin I also have a bunch of igf des and ghrp6 anyone have a protocol for that combo. Sorry about the thread jack homie

Originally Posted by D-Lats

I want to see how this works for SD. I'm running hgh and I'd like to get back on the slin I also have a bunch of igf des and ghrp6 anyone have a protocol for that combo. Sorry about the thread jack homie

I'm sure I could help set you up with a protocol. Hit me up everything you have and we'll figure out the timing.