Jumping Back On My Fancy New Bicycle~

Well it's been quite a while since my last visit, & I have but little to ask of anyone willing to toss a bit of advice my way; (& I mean advice from you experienced old bastards, not stupid little kids with a fat pocket, & internet access. L^:/ )

My question is in regards to the choice of my kickstart compound; I want to know which seems more fitting more a messy face-filling bulk
(As I hardly ever go beyond 10% BF even with my 8000 calories/day )(Yes 8000 calories is nothing because, I work in a restaurant that is part of an exclusive club for pompous old dudes with a nice 41K, boasting their Porshe' Carreras; So I can make myself everything for free; My favorites being: Deep fried Haddock made with eggs, flour, & ground bread crumb, rare steak with garlic butter, & prime rib with most of the fat sliced off) (Please don't ask my diet, & stats; I live for this life at an obsessed religious level, I know my diet changes work for me wonderfully.)

I feel fantastic, & in great condition since my long recovery. By the way, my Avi Pic is me, not a copycat, I will post pics of this upcoming run if any of you think it'll be useful to view myself as a willing lab-rat who only aspires to fatten his veins with an unconventional concoction of substances.

With that being said, the pins, & I have been missing one another for far too long.
I have but a very simple question; For this particular run, I'm on the verge of combining some compounds that aren't used together that often. I want to know which you think looks nicer for a kickstart, A-bombs (100mg-150mg ED), or M1T (22.5mg ED).

Considering the delay in particular compounds, my potential set of wonderful medicine looks like is this, verbatim.

500mcg 2x week HCG Throughout Weeks 1-16

Week 1: A-bombs 100mg ED, (or) M1t 15mg ED + Test P 100mg ED + Tren A 100mg ED
Week 2: A-bombs 150mg ED, (or) M1t 22.5mg ED + Test P 100mg ED + Tren A 100mg ED
Week 3: A-bombs 150mg ED, (or) M1t 22.5mg ED + Test P 150mg ED + Tren A 150mg ED
Week 4: A-bombs 150mg ED, (or) M1t 22.5mg ED + Test E 750mg + Tren E 500mg
Week 5: A-bombs 150mg ED + Test E 750mg + Tren E 500mg
Week 6: A-bombs 150mg ED + Test E 750mg + Tren E 500mg
Week 7: Test E 750mg + Tren E 500mg
Week 8: Test E 750mg + Tren E 500mg
Week 9: Test E 750mg + Tren E 500mg
Week 10: Test E 750mg + Tren E 500mg
Week 11: Test E 750mg + Tren E 500mg
Week 12: Test E 750mg + Tren E 500mg
Week 13: Test E 750mg + Tren E 500mg
Week 14: Test E 750mg + Tren E 500mg
Week 15: Test E 750mg + Tren E 500mg
Week 16: Test E 750mg + Tren E 500mg

Week 17: Tamox 40mg ED + Clomid 50mg ED
Week 18: Tamox 40mg ED + Clomid 50mg ED
Week 19: Tamox 30mg ED + Clomid 50mg ED
Week 20: Tamox 20mg ED + Clomid 50mg ED

Was thinking of adding a diuretic, & whatever that compound is that stops your kidneys from shutting down. (My kidneys are fine, I had just heard through the grape vine that it can help add mass.... somehow)

Please, elaborate in any way you see fit, harsh, or not, I don't care, it's the internet.

I have seen several people who loved M1t over any other oral; That is why I'm reluctant to approach this without a few final words from you guys. Cheers!

~Tre

Oh, just to clarify, the drol is ran for 6 weeks ONLY if it is the primary option; It sort of looks like 4 weeks of M1t, plus 2 weeks of the A-bombs; Don't mistake that alignment.
It's one oral, or the other. Not two. (Unless I had the non-methylated 19-norandrosta-4-9,diene-3,17-dione PH Tren.....which is a plausable option if Adex is added to the mix)

~Tre

With an oral kicker why use the prop and ace? Just jump on test e and tren e at the beginning

Yea, now that I think about it, that would delay Test, & Tren E...
Very good point mate. Plus you know what, running it like that is cheaper.

How do you feel about using a diuretic with the orals??

It really fascinates me as to how many pharmaceutical compounds can help your progression with AAS.
(Such as 30mg Addy's 1 hour pre-workout... Used in conjunction with AAS, everything just plows forward!)

why would you run a dirutic with Anadrol? I would stay away from all dirutics period you need all the water you can get with drol. Also drop the prop from week 3-5 your test and tren levels are going to drop allot because of the time it takes to really kick in. Just stick with E from the begining. Also thats allot of drol to be running at one time 150mg. I know guys that are 260 that dont go over 100mg. If your concerned about your liver, i take liv 52 and drink pure cranberry juice with a bottle of water ed. I have no issues at all.

I only considered dosing the drol at 150mg ED because I read all over that drol is prescribed to not just men, but females, & even young boys; Several of which were treated at insanely high dosages, &/or for several weeks/months; One woman was even prescribed 60mg for 3 years!
(I can provide a link of where I found this particular information if you want, or if it is even allowed here.)

Here is some parts to back it up:

'/CASE REPORTS/ 20-21 yr old male treated for Fanconi's anemia (100 mg/day, 10 months) had well-differentiated hepatoma; 2.5-6.5 yr female aplastic anemia (150-250 mg/day + prednisone, 46 months) had hepatocellular carcinoma, 17-19.5 yr female (150-250 mg/day + prednisone, 28 months) had negative alpha-feto-protein, well-diff hepatocellular carcinoma.'

'/CASE REPORTS/ A a rare case of hepatic adenomas (HA), in a 20-year-old Japanese girl treated for 6 years with anabolic androgens for aplastic anemia is reported.... The patient was referred to us because of liver lesions detected during a follow-up examination for familial adenomatous polyposis. After being diagnosed with aplastic anemia at 14 years of age, she had been treated with oxymetholone (30 mg/day) for 6 years. Laboratory evaluation revealed normal liver function. Ultrasonography (US) and computed tomography (CT) demonstrated multiple liver lesions. Histopathological examinations of biopsied specimens from the liver tumor showed HA. After the patient was diagnosed with HA, oxymetholone was tapered off.'

'/CASE REPORTS/ The case of a 35-year-old woman with aplastic anemia who developed hepatocellular carcinoma after long-term therapy with oxymetholone is reported. She was treated with 60 mg/day of oxymetholone for 3 years (total dose 64.8 g). Alpha-fetoprotein, hepatitis B surface antigen, and hepatitis C antibody were all negative, but serum titers of carcinoembryonic antigen and carbohydrate antigen were elevated. Lateral segmentectomy of the liver was performed. The histopathological findings were compatible with those of multiple hepatocellular carcinoma without liver cirrhosis. Three years since the operation, the patient is doing well and no signs of tumor recurrence have been detected. According to our review of Japanese cases of hepatocellular carcinoma associated with anabolic steroid therapy, in all instances the tumors developed after long-term administration of anabolic steroids for hematologic diseases. In patients under long-term anabolic steroid therapy, routine screening of the liver by ultrasonography and computed tomography should be performed to detect liver tumors in the early stages.'

Anyway, the only liver issues I ever had were from Primordial's liquid SD; My liver values don't change even from fairly high dosages of dbol
Ex. Blue hearts :)

Seems kind of weird that only PH's affect my liver; Makes you wonder how dirty some of them really are.

As for the diuretic, I got some info from an Iron Mag page to answer that question:

"A strict diet, together with the simultaneous intake of Nolvadex and Proviron, can significantly reduce water retention so that a distinct increase in the solid muscles is possible."

" The highly androgenic effect of Anadrol stimulates the regeneration of the body so that the often feared "over training" is unlikely. Although Anadrol is not a steroid used in preparation for a competition, it does help more than any other steroid during dieting to maintain the muscle mass and to allow an intense workout. Many bodybuilders therefore use it up to about one week before a competition, solving the problem of water retention by taking anti-estrogens and diuretics so that they will appear bulky and hard when in the limelight."


But hey, I appreciate you guys taking the time to reply to my stuff; All I did today was research compound usage when prescribed medically to patients, rather than recreational users; That way I can spare myself the run-of-the-mill cycles, & proceed to construct mini-mutant-grade cycles. L:
I've noticed that the people posting when the rep points are low, seldom get feedback. So I really do appreciate it; Although I must confess, I have no clue as to how the whole rep system works. Ahhh well... everybody is a n00b at something!

Cheers!

~Tre

(Oh, & now that I look at it, I think Prednisone was the kidney stuff I had mentioned earlier.)

P.s. Quick question; Say I were to order some vitamins from the UK, & the provider had been instructed to remove the labels;
Hypothetically, could customs seize my vitamins even if they're in unlabeled bottles with white plain capsules? (With the inner seals still in tact)

-Any thanks on this question is GREATLY appreciated. Cheers!

~Tre

Diuretic with all you are taking, good luck with that. The reasoning you list is not sound.

Well, it's the advice, & history I've read evident from the actions of those particular bodybuilders versus the conflicting advice from anyone on this board.
With that being said, it's the advice I'm seeking plus rational thinking; also in conjunction with REAL research on each, & every compound.

Nothing has been done yet, my curiosity regarding the diuretic was entirely derived from what I read; (The key points of which I had copied from Iron Mag itself, & pasted to show where I got these ideas from.

I'm only following the things I've read here, & I don't believe anything I've done is sloppy, or irrational on any level.

It's a matter of perception, & opinion as far as the judgement on these compounds combined with each other periodically.

Quite frankly the diuretic is of little importance to me, because subcutaneous water retention is only going to cover the aesthetic features temporarily;
& I will benefit in the strength department, as well as supposed joint comfort, & increased regeneration.

All my statements are influenced entirely from medical patient cases, along with this site's wide spectrum of information.

Anyway, I'm primarily concerned with the customs question at this point.

Cheers.

~Tre

P.s. Switching Tren E, with Mast E.

~Tre

After rationalizing this quite a bit, I've decided to drop the idea of adding Tren, or Mast, because I had looked those two compounds up quite a bit, & it looks to me as if they really aren't fit for my growth goals for the next 4 months.

I've decided my mind is made up, & it's going to look like this:

Test E- weeks 1-16 @ 750mg/week
Drol- weeks 1-8 @ 100mg/day or 150mg/day (dependent on what Doc Schwartz says along the way)

Clomid- 100mg/ day for first two weeks
Clomid- 50mg/ day for the following two weeks

I will be posting photos of my gains following each month so you can all watch me grow like a beanstalk L;


Any opinions on the oral dosing, or length that any of you will potentially give, please elaborate as to why you disagree
using credible medical information, &/or experience; I'm well aware, & experienced within the liver toxicity department, but
after talking to Doc, & having him explain it for me, I've heard enough to where I believe that the risks are over-hyped regarding orals.

BUT!!! My disclaimer, this 100% does not apply to PH's, many of them are dirty, & sketchy as far as what is in them,
regardless of whether you researched the nomenclature, or not. Never go above the recommended dosage, & drink water like a tank;
Don't be a girl, I can drink ALOT of water within a day with no soda, or other acidic drinks.

Trust me, I've had a standard run of SD screw me badly, then had plenty of blue hearts affect me perfectly fine without any toxicity.
I get my liver values checked periodically, so if something tweaks out, I know.



P.S. no sourcing here.. but... sponsors/reps pm me, & lets have a nice conversation about those cool 3 letters.... hcg. :)

You goal is all out bulk right?.... I would have stuck with the tren but I guess you could always use Deca.

Yes. A full out bulk. I'm not concerned with body-fat. I keep reading that people got their appetite, & sleep regimen scattered from using Tren;

I just keep hearing how Tren is more fit for cutting cycles, to maintain the muscle;

I really kind of feel out of place when people say they have to do a cut after a dirty bulk,
but I really never have been in a position where I was over 10% BF...
(not trying to sound cocky; If anything I brutally judge myself every time I look in the mirror, as I'm sure you all do now of days...)
; I have a BF caliper, & I'm usually at 9%, or a tad bit under 9%.

I guess reading that it hinders your appetite, & scatters sleep, makes me want to save it for a different run; Not to mention I keep
seeing people complain about the more manipulated test derivatives wrecking their libido; I for one, know how annoying deca-dick is.

As unorthodox as it may seem to any of you, I feel a bit of Mary Jane prior to each meal is downright amazing for a bulk... lol

I figure If anything, I could toss in some winny after the drol if I'm looking overly gross. (I hear it's nice to shed the water after drol... mind you, I'm not entirely sure how credible that information is...lol)

Does tren really play that big of a role as far as gaining the highest amount of raw mass possible within a 16-week run?

Thanks.

~Tre