Tom Prince calls BS on pro useage

**Mudge** · 05-26-2003, 04:34 PM

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My PERSONAL opinion, is that more than 4.5-6 iu's/day is a waste (HGH). I've seen guys do 9 iu's/day, and some guys go as high as 18 iu's/day. Other than holding a shitload of water, there's no appreciable difference between 6 iu's and 18 iu's.

As for gear, 800-1200 mg's a week of test, plus an anabolic or two, is all I ever do. So, what Dave Palumbo reccommends is not to far from what I, in fact, really do.

I've always known that what most people think of how much gear the pro's use is NOWHERE NEAR reality. I had a guy in chat room once try and tell me that the pro's spend $80,000/show on gear. I added it up, and last year for the Night of Champions I spent $2800 on gear for that show. That's a total of EVERYTHING. Clenbuterol, cytomel, teslac, proviron, ephedrine, caffiene.. EVERYTHING!!

No, most pro's do NOT stay on all year round. I come off for as much time as I just spent on. Usually, off-season cycles are 6 weeks on-6 weeks off. While dieting, I go 6 on-2 off-6 on-2 off. That's 16 weeks, which is the length of all my diets, and I usually go off for 8-10 weeks after every show.

INSULIN USE: There's certain pro's who are big believeres in this. One "guru" I know has all his guys use Insulin in the off-season, and he even laughed at me when I told him I didn't use it. To be honest, he didn't believe me, cuz' he said "You're 308 pounds WITHOUT it? BULLSHIT".

To be totally honest with you guys, I'm not comfortable telling you how to do something I don't do. I'd be talking out of my ass if I said it worked, because I have no real personal experience with insulin. I mean, not anything beyond just taking 10 units with my first carb-up meal on Wednesday before a contest. That's all I've ever done.

I spent $2800 bucks getting ready for the NOC this year. $2800 TOTAL. That includes the GH. The 3 iu's I do, 6 days a week. That's 126 iu's every six weeks, or 252 iu's in 12 weeks. I paid $400 per box, so that's how much again on GH for the entire diet? Whoa... a whole $800. Fuck that $500 per box at 18 iu's a week bullshit, too. Where the fuck do you guys come up with this crap??

I don't mind telling people, because I get sick of hearing we (the pro's) are all drugs. But, like I posted before, the reason no one believes guys like me and Lee Priest, is because they can't get to our size. Has nothing to do with reality, or what we spend, or what we take, or how hard we train. It has to do with what other people CAN'T do. So they need an excuse. Nothing more than just a bullshit excuse.

Forgive me for this rant. But I resent my 15 years of busting ass in the gym being reduced to a cycle or two.

Ever see anyone who never comes off? Pro, not a pro, doesn't matter. You show me someone who never comes off, which is all 'bridging' is, and I'll show you someone who's receptors are shut down, and have quit making gains.

I don't know one good pro, one anyone worth a shit, who stays on all year long.

Personally, I take 12 weeks off the gear, after every show. The length of my cycles, depends on how far away the show is. Usually, it's 6 weeks on, 6 weeks off, unless I'm dieting. Dieting, I go 6 on/2 off/6 on/2 off.

NO ONE even try a follow-up question about "why" or "what". That's all you get.

I've never done GH in the off-season in my life. EVER. And just to be CRYSTAL CLEAR, off means OFF. As in, not ON. Means: OFF EVERYTHING.

I drop from 310 to 298-295, when I'm off. But never any lighter than 295. Do I get weaker? Slightly, yes. But you need to use your god-given brain for something other than counting reps when it comes to situtations like these. (All this free advice, I should be charging millions for this shit). So, you notice yourself getting a little weaker? ANSWER: So go out of your way to do things that you have no clue how strong you should be. Instead of training with super heavy weights for 5-8 reps, go up to 15 reps on all your power movements. That way, you, ONE, give your joints a break while stimulating the muscle in a new way, and TWO, so that you have no idea what weights you would be using at your strongest, because you never do 15 reps on your power movements. It's just a simple mind game you're playing with yourself.

That's all I've done. Even when I was 22 and 240 pounds.

crackerjack414 · 05-27-2003, 11:41 AM

hmmm where did he get his pro card? hmmm i wonder if u ever used synthol lol

gr81 · 05-27-2003, 09:29 PM

That is a nice rant but I don't believe half of that. Why are the physiques of todays pros SOOOOO much freakier than the pros of yesteryear? It isn't like the guys in the 70's and 80's weren't on drugs, its just that todays guys are on higher doses. It is obvious. maybe this particular pro doesn't abuse the drugs but common doesn he think that we will believe that guys aren't walking chemistry sets?

**Mudge** · 05-27-2003, 10:12 PM

We have new drugs, people use more, diet has I believe improved also. I believe that they are pushing themselves more than people in the past did (with drug use), but from what I've seen of NPC guys and what the pros claim, I dont believe that they are doing 60-80k worth of drugs per year much less per show, they dont make that kind of money. I also believe todays users know more.

There is a guy somewhat local to me, with a 24.5" set of arms and a 70" chest at 6'2" and he never goes over 700mg test a week. He isn't ripped by any means, but hes not a fat ass either.

http://www.ironage.us/virtual/index.html

As an example FWIW, an NPC guy that frequents the boards is on 1200 test/1200 EQ a week, 5'11" 270 pounds @ 10% bodyfat.

gr81 · 05-27-2003, 11:44 PM

You are right mudge, there are BB out there that stay sane with their doses. I have read and heard of some guys out their that do take crazy amounts of drugs as well. Don't get me wrong, I am not taking anything away from these guys b/c they have awesome genetics and have worked hard. In fact I am the last person that you will see discrediting someone b/c they used drugs. There are guys that push the doses way too high. Can you honestly believe that there aren't pros out there that are taking 2 grams of shit a day and other crazy amounts? no doubt there are. There are exceptions to every rule. Maybe they aren't spending 60-80K per year, but these guys also have their shit payed for anyways do it is all a mute point.

**Mudge** · 05-28-2003, 12:53 AM

I dont know, I've heard rumors, but so much of the time they are just BS articles not even written by thier supposed authors.

gr81 · 05-28-2003, 12:55 AM

^^
True that

crackerjack414 · 05-28-2003, 03:43 PM

depends on the who the pro is there are some who use alot and some who dont use as much some use gear to suppliment less than perfect genetics. I shouldnt be going into this but some of the upper level natinal competors have been known to suppliment thier income through various means. I think a resonable gear bill would probely be less than 50k a year for the upper guys.

TJ Cline · 10-03-2006, 09:19 AM

Bump

Good read

05-27-2003, 10:12 PM	#4
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,477 Photos: 1	We have new drugs, people use more, diet has I believe improved also. I believe that they are pushing themselves more than people in the past did (with drug use), but from what I've seen of NPC guys and what the pros claim, I dont believe that they are doing 60-80k worth of drugs per year much less per show, they dont make that kind of money. I also believe todays users know more. There is a guy somewhat local to me, with a 24.5" set of arms and a 70" chest at 6'2" and he never goes over 700mg test a week. He isn't ripped by any means, but hes not a fat ass either. http://www.ironage.us/virtual/index.html As an example FWIW, an NPC guy that frequents the boards is on 1200 test/1200 EQ a week, 5'11" 270 pounds @ 10% bodyfat. Kinesiology Comp Bench MaxCalc Motivation Bench form Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu

05-28-2003, 12:53 AM	#6
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,477 Photos: 1	I dont know, I've heard rumors, but so much of the time they are just BS articles not even written by thier supposed authors. Kinesiology Comp Bench MaxCalc Motivation Bench form Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu

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05-27-2003, 11:41 AM	#2
crackerjack414 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: cali Posts: 644	hmmm where did he get his pro card? hmmm i wonder if u ever used synthol lol

05-27-2003, 09:29 PM	#3
gr81 You Lack Intensity!!!! Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Just below our civil disguise Posts: 6,378 Photos: 10	That is a nice rant but I don't believe half of that. Why are the physiques of todays pros SOOOOO much freakier than the pros of yesteryear? It isn't like the guys in the 70's and 80's weren't on drugs, its just that todays guys are on higher doses. It is obvious. maybe this particular pro doesn't abuse the drugs but common doesn he think that we will believe that guys aren't walking chemistry sets?

05-27-2003, 11:44 PM	#5
gr81 You Lack Intensity!!!! Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Just below our civil disguise Posts: 6,378 Photos: 10	You are right mudge, there are BB out there that stay sane with their doses. I have read and heard of some guys out their that do take crazy amounts of drugs as well. Don't get me wrong, I am not taking anything away from these guys b/c they have awesome genetics and have worked hard. In fact I am the last person that you will see discrediting someone b/c they used drugs. There are guys that push the doses way too high. Can you honestly believe that there aren't pros out there that are taking 2 grams of shit a day and other crazy amounts? no doubt there are. There are exceptions to every rule. Maybe they aren't spending 60-80K per year, but these guys also have their shit payed for anyways do it is all a mute point.

05-28-2003, 12:55 AM	#7
gr81 You Lack Intensity!!!! Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Just below our civil disguise Posts: 6,378 Photos: 10	^^ True that

05-28-2003, 03:43 PM	#8
crackerjack414 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: cali Posts: 644	depends on the who the pro is there are some who use alot and some who dont use as much some use gear to suppliment less than perfect genetics. I shouldnt be going into this but some of the upper level natinal competors have been known to suppliment thier income through various means. I think a resonable gear bill would probely be less than 50k a year for the upper guys.

10-03-2006, 09:19 AM	#9
TJ Cline Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,545	Bump Good read