Hey where'd my nuts go????

**Pitboss** · 06-05-2003, 11:40 AM

Is there anything else besides HCG? I'm considering a cycle this summer and it seeems that the only HCG out there is from Loeffler or something like that. I have used there product, or tried to and it's so overloaded with alchol that my ass hurt for over a week.

Oh so the question remains, anything else that can or will prevent one's nuts from shriveling away to nuttin???

**ZECH** · 06-05-2003, 11:56 AM

Not if it really works......................

**Mudge** · 06-05-2003, 12:04 PM

Is this from the Deca you used? How long are you cycling for? I'm younger but I have no nut problems. HCG is the only thing I know of mid cycle that is used to keep them going, also how much dose did you use? It should be used in relatively low doses through the cycle.

**crackerjack414** · 06-05-2003, 12:50 PM

yup hcg at the half way mark will make a difference

**Pitboss** · 06-05-2003, 10:32 PM

My last cycle.. hmm over a year now I guess was Deca 300 a week and Enthanate (sp) 5oo a week. After that 10 week cycle I noticed my uh sack was how do you put this?? Tighter? Not loose and hanging.. LOL still to this day they are like that 90% of the time. I guess over all appearance I would say they have shrunk some.

This cycle I was basically doing the same.

**WOOD** · 06-09-2003, 07:15 AM

Hey PB, get some clomid and take it the following way. It should help to make sure your natural test levels are back in order before you start your next cycle.

Wk 1: 100mg/ED (2 tabs)
Wks 2-3: 50mg/ED (1 tab)

As for the HCG, I'm not sure why it hurt. HCG is not like an oil-based AS in which a company adds a large amount of BA. Have you actually used the product, or are you comparing it to an oil-based AS from the same company? Try this next as your post-cycle therapy, beginning 2 wks after your last injection.

Wk 1: 5000iu HCG; clen (as tolerated)
Wk 2: 5000iu HCG; clen (as tolerated)
Wk 3: 5000iu HCG; ECA Stack
Wk 4: Clomid 100mg/ED; ECA Stack
Wk 5 and 6: Clomid 50mg/ED; clen (as tolerated)

This will help you maintain as much muscle mass as possible, while re-starting your natural test production. Good Luck.

**Mudge** · 06-09-2003, 10:22 AM

Some Clomid / Nolvadex stuff:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catnolv.htm

HCG: This does nothing with regard to inhibition of the hypothalamus and pituitary. Rather it acts like LH, and causes the testicles to produce testosterone just as if LH were present. It is useful then for avoiding testicular atrophy during the cycle. The best dosing method is to use small amounts frequently: 500 IU per day is sufficient, and 1000 IU may optionally be used. The amount may be given as a single daily dose or divided into two doses. Administration may be intramuscular or subcutaneous. More is not better: too much HCG can result in downregulation of the LH receptors in the testes, and is therefore counterproductive. Overdosing of HCG can also result in gynecomastia.

Like with many things, with the HCG your plan is to use the least amount needed to give the desired results.

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