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Creating A Cycle
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Creating a cycle for the newbie
First it is important to know all the most common steroids before doing anything else
testosterone (cypionate or enanthate) - no other test is good for a newbie, sust is hard to maintain blood levels and short acting ester tests will require too many injections
Deca durabolin - good drug for bulking at moderate dosages, considered somewhat stronger than eq
Equipose - good drug for both bulking and cutting, and known to make you vascular unlike any other drug, also known to make you eat like crazy
dianabol - a great kickstarter to any bulking cycle
winstrol depot - good to cut up and known to make you real hard
anavar - another good drug to harden you up and most likely the safest steroid out there
primobolan depot - this is a good drug for hardening up and also good for bridging. I don't think a newbie needs to bridge and although hardening up is a positive thing, primo tends to be a little too costy so I suggest just going with equipose
fina - although this is a great drug, it is not for a newbie because of the quantity of the injections.
anadrol - although this is used commonly amoung more expert users, it is not for the newbie as it is too toxic and should be avoided, dbol should be a great alternative
Dosages
test - 500mg/week
deca - 400mg/week
eq - 400-500mg/week
dbol - 20-25mg/day
winny - 50mg/day
anavar - 40-60mg/day
Length of Cycle
most cycles are run 8-12 weeks, 10 weeks is more than sufficient for a first cycle and pretty much the norm
test - 8-11 weeks
deca - 8-10 weeks
eq - 8-10 weeks
dbol - 4 weeks
winny - 4-6 weeks
anavar - 6-10 weeks
Stacking
test should be the base of your cycle and running it for 11weeks if it's cyp or enan (11 instead of 10 to provide a better timing for the clomid)
deca or eq should be run along with the test and finished 1 week before the test (10 weeks if the test was run 11)
dbol should be used for a kickstarter to the cycle because test and deca/eq will not kick in until week 3-4
winny and anavar should be used towards the end of the cycle for some hardening up, although they can be avoided if one sees it as too much (these should not be used at the same time as the dbol because of liver toxicity)
Anti Estrogens
armidex/liquidex should be run at 0.25mg/day from the begining of cycle and continued until the begining of clomid theraphy, this will prevent gyno (bitch tits) and keep the water down (water retention, so your face doesn't look like a melon)
many suggest having nolvadex on hand (as a cheaper alternative) to prevent gyno, but it's better to be safe than sorry, so spend a little more and go with the armidex
Clomid (taken from the clomid faq posted by the iron game AR)
Question: When do I start Clomid? Some say 2 weeks others 3.
Answer: When you start using your clomid all depends on what steroids you were using during your cycle. Different steroids have different half lifes and you should adjust your clomid intake accordingly. As we have seen above, if we take clomid when the androgen levels in our body is still high it will be a waste. We need to wait for androgen levels to fall before implementing our clomid therapy. However if we take it too late we could possibly lose gains. Look at the list below to determine when you should start clomid therapy. By selecting from the list all the steroids you used in your cycle and which ever one has the latest starting point then go with that. For example if I cycled dbol, sustanon and winstrol I would use sustanon as it remains active in the body for the longest period of time.
Anadrol/Anapolan: 8 - 12 hours after last administration
Deca: 3 weeks after last injection and clomid for 4 weeks
Dianabol: 4 8 hours after last administration
Equipoise: 3 weeks after last injection
Fina: 3 days after last injection
Primobolan depot: 10 14 days after last injection
Sustanon: 3 weeks after last injection
Testosterone Cypionate: 2 weeks after last injection
Testosterone Enanthate: 2 weeks after last injection
Testosterone Propionate: 3 days after last injection
Testosterone Suspension: 4 8 hours after last administration
Winstrol: 8 12 hours after last administration
Question: What is the most effective way for Clomid therapy.
Answer: Clomid has a long half life and as such there is no need to split up doses throughout the day. I read some where that it was 5 days (any feedback on this). Now if we used sustanon and we start using clomid 3 weeks after our last injection we anticipate that androgen levels are low enough to start sending the correct signals. If androgen levels are still a little high then the normal 50mgs/day of clomid for 1 week is not going to be effective. We need to start at a high enough amount that will work or help even if androgen levels are still a little high. 300mgs on day 1. I know I said dont split it up due to its long half life but try and split this up 2 tabs 3 times a day. After we have finished this first day we seek to use 100mgs for 10 days and then followed by 50mgs for 10 days.
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Supplements
(all of the following can be purchased over the counter in the united states except clenbuterol and proscar and nizoral 2% shampoo)
glutamine - 10-20mg/ed throughout the cycle and post cycle
creatine - start when you start clomid, it will help maintain gains
clenbuterol & ephedrine - run clen 2weeks on/2weeks off and use ephedrine on the off weeks
I suggest starting it 2weeks before the clomid theraphy starts or just starting it with the clomid
gradually increase from one pill to 6 or 7 pills in the first week (if you are unable to tolerate it then stay at lower dosages), take it at 6 or 7 pills at the rest of the weeks
run the recommended dose of ephedrine (depending on the brand)
milk thisle - run this at 1000-1500mg/day with the dbol, winny, and anavar as they are 17aa and toxic to the liver, milk thisle will help
ALA - run this along with the milk thisle at around 800mg/day (600mg-1000mg) to further protect the liver
saw palmetto - this is a good protection for the prostate and should be run from day one up until the start of clomid at 320mg/day
cranberry extract - this should be run if you decide to run fina because it is hard on the kidneys
vitamin C, 1000mg everyday
proscar - great drug for protecting hairloss, run this at 1/4 tab a day throughout the cycle (from begining of cycle until start of clomid theraphy), AVOID using this if you are running deca (or any other drug that causes progesterone related side effects) as it will speed up hairloss intead of preventing it
nizoral 2% shampoo - this should be used for topical protection of the hair as proscar will only help prevent or slow down hairloss that was caused by the test
multivitamin - they are cheap and should be used everyday at the recommended dosage (usually 1 or 2 pills a day)
Drink as much water as you can handle then drink some more. water will be extremely useful in every facet and should be considered your most important supplement.
Model Cycle
there are quite a few possibilities of running these drugs together, but here is one method
week 1-11 enanthate 500mg
week 1-10 equipose 400mg
week 1-4 dianabol 25mg ed
week 7-13 anavar 50mg ed
week 1-4 milk thisle 1500mg ed
week 7-13 milk thisle 1000mg ed
week 1-4 ALA 800mg ed
week 7-13 ALA 800mg ed
week 1-13 saw palmetto 320mg ed
week 1-13 proscar 1.25mg ed (1/4 tab)
use nizoral 2% throughout and a multivitamin everyday and
1000mg vitamn C a day
week 13-15 Clomid (300,100,50 see above)
week 13-14 clen 6tabs/day (1,2,3,4,5,6,6 tabs per day for the first week)
week 15-16 eca (recommended dose)
week 17-18 clen 6tabs/day
week 19-20 eca
week 21-22 clen
week 13-22 creatine 25mg ed
week 1-22 glutamine 20mg ed
ok I think this pretty much covers most questions asked by a newbie, any drugs not mentioned on here shouldn't even be considered for newbies IMO
I will add more parts to this later.
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