Jesus Christ Im Gettin Fat!!

Just a guy · 09-30-2003, 01:08 PM

Man.. went from 210 to 235.. in like a month... Been getting stronger than hell... but gettin a little of a gut... Well not a little gut... a big big gut... Im NOT going to do any aerobics.. or run.. Because im on d-bol... and d-bol is NOT good for cell respiration... So what should i do guys?? cut out the fat almost totally?? And just eat 4,000 calories and 400 grams of protein... and the carbs.... but i will also get fat on that also.. well i dont know.. Just get fat and lose it at the end of the cycle?? STILL GOT 8 WEEKS!! of 450mg's deca... 600mg's sust.... D-bol is over in a week... Any thoughts?

**Mudge** · 09-30-2003, 01:59 PM

You can either live with the fat or not, its up to you. I dont put on that much fat bulking but I hold water like a mother which is a risk for your blood pressure, which you can blame on dbol and test.

If you dont keep raising your calories you probably wont get any fatter.

Just a guy · 09-30-2003, 02:03 PM

well... I want see any results... without calories... I want to keep gettin bigger... just no fat ya know?

5abi · 09-30-2003, 02:04 PM

ummmi knwo i'm probablly wrong, could'nt it be just bloat fromt he dbol?

Just a guy · 09-30-2003, 02:07 PM

Yeh could be.... but i bubmped my d-bol down to 2 a day... till i run out.. if i already have enough body fat... do i still need that many calories... thats one thing i still cannot understand that well.

**Mudge** · 09-30-2003, 02:10 PM

If you expect to continue gaining muscle then you will lose some of that bodyfat, some of that is going to be water though.

I dont know what your diet is like but I dont eat like that much of a pig, I scale my calories up or down I dont do it all at once.

I maintain around 2200-2300 calories, 100g carbs or usually less per day, so going to 4000 calories at least for me is insane, I would get very fat very fast. This is ideally though why you want to start your cycle @ low bodyfat, for that and estrogen issues.

Regardless I dont believe in see-food bulking but that is because of my bodytype.

**Mudge** · 09-30-2003, 02:11 PM

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Originally posted by Just a guy
well... I want see any results... without calories... I want to keep gettin bigger... just no fat ya know?

You dont weigh more without calories, but that doesn't mean you have to be fat either. I still maintain a somewhat clean diet on a bulk.

Water retention is going to play a factor but its not going to make you have a "gut."

BUSTINOUT · 09-30-2003, 03:24 PM

d-bol always seem to give me a gut and butt. lol I lose some of it as I come off the d-bol. The sudden jump in your calories may have ALOT to do with this.

Just a guy · 09-30-2003, 05:23 PM

So... You think i will still get the SAME gains with 2500 calories and 300-400 G's of Protein... compared to 3500-4000 calories and 300-400g;s of protein

Just a guy · 09-30-2003, 05:23 PM

i prolly got a good 18 percent body fat... but i have no idea

**Mudge** · 09-30-2003, 06:06 PM

You wont gain the same weight, and I have no idea if 2500 calories is even enough for you to maintain that weight, for me it is not. So if I was 235 and went to 2500 I'd lose weight, not gain.

BUSTINOUT · 09-30-2003, 07:38 PM

What was your calorie intake BEFORE the cycle? When I add an extra 1000cals when I start a cycle, I get fat very quickly. I have better luck when I gradually increase my calories.

**Mudge** · 09-30-2003, 08:53 PM

Exactly, scale it through the cycle. You dont need to put on 1500 calories or whatever at day 1.

Just a guy · 10-01-2003, 02:50 PM

so how many calories u think i need will i still continue with MUSCLE gains as long as i get 400 G's of protein...

**Mudge** · 10-01-2003, 03:00 PM

You can even gain muscle on a caloric deficit if you are carefull, but the gear works best on high calories.

What was your maintenance previously?

Or simply try cutting 750-1000 calories and see how it goes.

Just a guy · 10-01-2003, 05:33 PM

well to tell u the truth i have no idea EXACTLY what my calorie intake is... im guessing about 3,000 because i just eat constantly... but i do try to get ATLEAST 350g's of Protein a day...

Just a guy · 10-01-2003, 05:37 PM

i just did quit D-bol... yesterday... Sust kicks in quickly rite?? well some of it does rite... i think i heard that there is a couple fast acting substances in there..... But probably by 5th week see REAL good results

**Mudge** · 10-01-2003, 06:16 PM

3-5 weeks for sust, it has prop which is why its injected frequently.

09-30-2003, 01:08 PM	#1
Just a guy Senior Gear head Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1,320 Photos: 1	Jesus Christ Im Gettin Fat!! Man.. went from 210 to 235.. in like a month... Been getting stronger than hell... but gettin a little of a gut... Well not a little gut... a big big gut... Im NOT going to do any aerobics.. or run.. Because im on d-bol... and d-bol is NOT good for cell respiration... So what should i do guys?? cut out the fat almost totally?? And just eat 4,000 calories and 400 grams of protein... and the carbs.... but i will also get fat on that also.. well i dont know.. Just get fat and lose it at the end of the cycle?? STILL GOT 8 WEEKS!! of 450mg's deca... 600mg's sust.... D-bol is over in a week... Any thoughts?

09-30-2003, 01:59 PM	#2
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,074 Photos: 1	You can either live with the fat or not, its up to you. I dont put on that much fat bulking but I hold water like a mother which is a risk for your blood pressure, which you can blame on dbol and test. If you dont keep raising your calories you probably wont get any fatter.
	Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks

09-30-2003, 02:03 PM	#3
Just a guy Senior Gear head Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1,320 Photos: 1	well... I want see any results... without calories... I want to keep gettin bigger... just no fat ya know?
	CUTTING! Was 260lbs. Now 02/09/05 236lbs Height:5'8 Age: 20 Bench:395 Leg press:975

09-30-2003, 02:07 PM	#5
Just a guy Senior Gear head Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1,320 Photos: 1	Yeh could be.... but i bubmped my d-bol down to 2 a day... till i run out.. if i already have enough body fat... do i still need that many calories... thats one thing i still cannot understand that well.
	CUTTING! Was 260lbs. Now 02/09/05 236lbs Height:5'8 Age: 20 Bench:395 Leg press:975

09-30-2003, 02:10 PM	#6
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,074 Photos: 1	If you expect to continue gaining muscle then you will lose some of that bodyfat, some of that is going to be water though. I dont know what your diet is like but I dont eat like that much of a pig, I scale my calories up or down I dont do it all at once. I maintain around 2200-2300 calories, 100g carbs or usually less per day, so going to 4000 calories at least for me is insane, I would get very fat very fast. This is ideally though why you want to start your cycle @ low bodyfat, for that and estrogen issues. Regardless I dont believe in see-food bulking but that is because of my bodytype.
	Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks

09-30-2003, 02:04 PM	#4
5abi Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: calgary Posts: 96	ummmi knwo i'm probablly wrong, could'nt it be just bloat fromt he dbol?

09-30-2003, 03:24 PM	#8
BUSTINOUT Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 2,418	d-bol always seem to give me a gut and butt. lol I lose some of it as I come off the d-bol. The sudden jump in your calories may have ALOT to do with this.

09-30-2003, 05:23 PM	#9
Just a guy Senior Gear head Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1,320 Photos: 1	So... You think i will still get the SAME gains with 2500 calories and 300-400 G's of Protein... compared to 3500-4000 calories and 300-400g;s of protein
	CUTTING! Was 260lbs. Now 02/09/05 236lbs Height:5'8 Age: 20 Bench:395 Leg press:975

09-30-2003, 06:06 PM	#11
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,074 Photos: 1	You wont gain the same weight, and I have no idea if 2500 calories is even enough for you to maintain that weight, for me it is not. So if I was 235 and went to 2500 I'd lose weight, not gain.
	Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks

09-30-2003, 07:38 PM	#12
BUSTINOUT Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 2,418	What was your calorie intake BEFORE the cycle? When I add an extra 1000cals when I start a cycle, I get fat very quickly. I have better luck when I gradually increase my calories.

09-30-2003, 08:53 PM	#13
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,074 Photos: 1	Exactly, scale it through the cycle. You dont need to put on 1500 calories or whatever at day 1.

10-01-2003, 02:50 PM	#14
Just a guy Senior Gear head Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1,320 Photos: 1	so how many calories u think i need will i still continue with MUSCLE gains as long as i get 400 G's of protein...
	CUTTING! Was 260lbs. Now 02/09/05 236lbs Height:5'8 Age: 20 Bench:395 Leg press:975

10-01-2003, 03:00 PM	#15
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,074 Photos: 1	You can even gain muscle on a caloric deficit if you are carefull, but the gear works best on high calories. What was your maintenance previously? Or simply try cutting 750-1000 calories and see how it goes.

10-01-2003, 05:33 PM	#16
Just a guy Senior Gear head Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1,320 Photos: 1	well to tell u the truth i have no idea EXACTLY what my calorie intake is... im guessing about 3,000 because i just eat constantly... but i do try to get ATLEAST 350g's of Protein a day...
	CUTTING! Was 260lbs. Now 02/09/05 236lbs Height:5'8 Age: 20 Bench:395 Leg press:975

10-01-2003, 05:37 PM	#17
Just a guy Senior Gear head Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1,320 Photos: 1	i just did quit D-bol... yesterday... Sust kicks in quickly rite?? well some of it does rite... i think i heard that there is a couple fast acting substances in there..... But probably by 5th week see REAL good results
	CUTTING! Was 260lbs. Now 02/09/05 236lbs Height:5'8 Age: 20 Bench:395 Leg press:975

10-01-2003, 06:16 PM	#18
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,074 Photos: 1	3-5 weeks for sust, it has prop which is why its injected frequently.
	Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks

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