Deca Cyp Help!

dropteeth · 10-29-2003, 02:02 PM

Hi ..all im new to this forum and have been researching a long time b4 buying my first cycle..

Stats:
age:25, weight: 180, height: 5'9 training:6 years

my question is this i decided on a 12 week cycle using Tokkyo Deca, and Tokkyo Test Cypionate.. i also scored a 10m 100m upjohn cypionate. my Dilema is post cycle i have heard conderdicting information on post cycle i wanted to use clomid.

Can I use Clomid (50mg) during my cycle maybe 3 weeks in EOD. then on my last week 100mg ED. and when can i use HCG (during or after).. also i read that i cannot use finistride during my cycle becasue of the Deca

is htere anything else i can use??? to for the hairline??
Also since it is my first cycle can anyone help on how much of each substance to take? and when.. Can i expect too keep a good amount of gains from this?? i have an aquantance who lost everything from a deca test cycle

thanks in Advance...

**Mudge** · 10-29-2003, 02:23 PM

I would not use clomid during the cycle, there is no point, and honestly I would be near suicidal being on the damn stuff that long.

I would suggest nolvadex for post cycle. HCG should ideally be used throughout the cycle, 500iu twice a week. Keep the nolvadex on hand incase that spikes your test/estro up enough to give you gyno, especially since you'll be doing test with it.

I can't say much about propecia/finasteride because I have no hair worries. 400-500mg test, and about 200-400mg of deca a week would be suggestable, but again I can't speak from experience on the hair issues.

To help with recovery issues, you can drop the deca 1-2 weeks before you stop the test.

dropteeth · 10-29-2003, 02:31 PM

you say 12 weeks is suicidal..

what do you recommend?

and do i do the HCG right from the beggining?

**Mudge** · 10-29-2003, 02:34 PM

I would say HCG is fine 3-5 weeks into the cycle as a start, but you can start right off the bat if you want. The stuff is relatively inexpensive but I dont know how many IU you have around.

I would run arimidex through the cycle if anything, some people go with nolvadex, but it does affect vision when used long term in some people, I have had the issue myself but clomid is even worse and yes it gives me the blues AND pimples like nothing else.

So for me, anti aromatase would be the way to go, .25mg ED arimidex or even EOD, that decision comes from experience, some use more some use less.

dropteeth · 10-29-2003, 02:46 PM

Thanks Mudge...

so my cycle would look like this?

week 1-3
250 deca
400- cyp

Week 4-11
300 deca
500cyp
2X 500 IU HCG
.25 Arimidex ED

Week 12
250 Cyp
2x 500 IU HCG
( this is where im comfused) can i add clomid here???
how long do i go with the HCG..

am asking becasue an aquantance lost all of his gains on test deca cycle i wanna make sure iam doing htis right! do i wait 3 weeks for HCG??

thanks for you help

**Mudge** · 10-29-2003, 03:01 PM

I would take that week 12 cypionate and put it in week 3, ideally you would run the same dose through the entire cycle, no tapering up or down. Sometimes a front load is done, anywho, I would put it at week 3...

I would wait 3 weeks after your last shot before doing the clomid and/or nolvadex. If you feel that your testicles are nice and big, then you can stop the HCG the same week you stop your test. HCG is used through the cycle to prevent the problem before it starts, making recovery much faster, but if you need to continue HCG then consider it ON time, so post cycle should not start till after the HCG has ceased to be used as it will keep you suppressed.

If someone lost all thier gains, I can only assume their eating habits went back to normal. If you gain 25 pounds, if you want to maintain it then you need to eat like it. If it takes 2500 calories for you to maintain now, you will need to eat more when you weigh more, make sense? Deca seems to shut people down double hard though, not only test function but it raises progesterone levels, so its a double whammy effect on the system. If he did not have HCG then perhaps he would have done better if he had some.

HCG counts as on time, just remember that, so if you need to continue using post cycle you can use 500iu every day if you wish, until you feel the nads are somewhat normal. If you stretch out the HCG therapy like this I would probably start clomid the day after the last shot, if it was 2-3 weeks after your last test/deca administration.

**Mudge** · 10-31-2003, 12:41 AM

Drop, sent you a PM on hair stuff.

10-29-2003, 02:02 PM	#1
dropteeth Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 43	Deca Cyp Help! Hi ..all im new to this forum and have been researching a long time b4 buying my first cycle.. Stats: age:25, weight: 180, height: 5'9 training:6 years my question is this i decided on a 12 week cycle using Tokkyo Deca, and Tokkyo Test Cypionate.. i also scored a 10m 100m upjohn cypionate. my Dilema is post cycle i have heard conderdicting information on post cycle i wanted to use clomid. Can I use Clomid (50mg) during my cycle maybe 3 weeks in EOD. then on my last week 100mg ED. and when can i use HCG (during or after).. also i read that i cannot use finistride during my cycle becasue of the Deca is htere anything else i can use??? to for the hairline?? Also since it is my first cycle can anyone help on how much of each substance to take? and when.. Can i expect too keep a good amount of gains from this?? i have an aquantance who lost everything from a deca test cycle thanks in Advance...
dropteeth Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 43

10-29-2003, 02:23 PM	#2
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,075 Photos: 1	I would not use clomid during the cycle, there is no point, and honestly I would be near suicidal being on the damn stuff that long. I would suggest nolvadex for post cycle. HCG should ideally be used throughout the cycle, 500iu twice a week. Keep the nolvadex on hand incase that spikes your test/estro up enough to give you gyno, especially since you'll be doing test with it. I can't say much about propecia/finasteride because I have no hair worries. 400-500mg test, and about 200-400mg of deca a week would be suggestable, but again I can't speak from experience on the hair issues. To help with recovery issues, you can drop the deca 1-2 weeks before you stop the test.
	Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks

10-29-2003, 02:31 PM	#3
dropteeth Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 43	you say 12 weeks is suicidal.. what do you recommend? and do i do the HCG right from the beggining?
dropteeth Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 43

10-29-2003, 02:46 PM	#5
dropteeth Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 43	Thanks Mudge... so my cycle would look like this? week 1-3 250 deca 400- cyp Week 4-11 300 deca 500cyp 2X 500 IU HCG .25 Arimidex ED Week 12 250 Cyp 2x 500 IU HCG ( this is where im comfused) can i add clomid here??? how long do i go with the HCG.. am asking becasue an aquantance lost all of his gains on test deca cycle i wanna make sure iam doing htis right! do i wait 3 weeks for HCG?? thanks for you help
dropteeth Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 43

10-29-2003, 03:01 PM	#6
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,075 Photos: 1	I would take that week 12 cypionate and put it in week 3, ideally you would run the same dose through the entire cycle, no tapering up or down. Sometimes a front load is done, anywho, I would put it at week 3... I would wait 3 weeks after your last shot before doing the clomid and/or nolvadex. If you feel that your testicles are nice and big, then you can stop the HCG the same week you stop your test. HCG is used through the cycle to prevent the problem before it starts, making recovery much faster, but if you need to continue HCG then consider it ON time, so post cycle should not start till after the HCG has ceased to be used as it will keep you suppressed. If someone lost all thier gains, I can only assume their eating habits went back to normal. If you gain 25 pounds, if you want to maintain it then you need to eat like it. If it takes 2500 calories for you to maintain now, you will need to eat more when you weigh more, make sense? Deca seems to shut people down double hard though, not only test function but it raises progesterone levels, so its a double whammy effect on the system. If he did not have HCG then perhaps he would have done better if he had some. HCG counts as on time, just remember that, so if you need to continue using post cycle you can use 500iu every day if you wish, until you feel the nads are somewhat normal. If you stretch out the HCG therapy like this I would probably start clomid the day after the last shot, if it was 2-3 weeks after your last test/deca administration.
	Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks

10-29-2003, 02:34 PM	#4
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,075 Photos: 1	I would say HCG is fine 3-5 weeks into the cycle as a start, but you can start right off the bat if you want. The stuff is relatively inexpensive but I dont know how many IU you have around. I would run arimidex through the cycle if anything, some people go with nolvadex, but it does affect vision when used long term in some people, I have had the issue myself but clomid is even worse and yes it gives me the blues AND pimples like nothing else. So for me, anti aromatase would be the way to go, .25mg ED arimidex or even EOD, that decision comes from experience, some use more some use less.

10-31-2003, 12:41 AM	#7
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,075 Photos: 1	Drop, sent you a PM on hair stuff.
	Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks

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