Help on Doses

dropteeth · 10-30-2003, 11:19 PM

going on my first 12 week cycle using Tokkyo Deca, and Tokkyo Test Cypionate I also got my hands on scored a 10m 100m upjohn cypionate.

My question is this.. i will be doing 300 mg of Deca
and 400 of cyp.
I wanna keep doses the same for bloodlevels as recommended from other posts.
since the Tokkyo Cyps strength is 200 (10ml) and the Upjohn is 100 (10ml)..how do i dose it?

**Mudge** · 10-30-2003, 11:58 PM

Not sure what you mean how do you dose it, when it says 100mg they mean per milliliter.

So to achieve 400mg of cypionate if you are doing Ttokkyo and Upjohn at the same time, that is 3 milliliters leaving no room for Deca in the pin. Sounds like your going to be doing 2 shots a week which is ideal anyway.

If you are not comfortable measuring out 1/2ml, then:

Example
Tuesday - 1cc Ttokkyo cypionate, 1cc Deca (300mg/ml right?)
Friday - 2cc Upjohn Cypionate

Rotate your sites, oil buildup in a muscle can cause an abcess.

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dropteeth · 10-31-2003, 04:14 PM

but since tokkyo (mex gear) is underdosed... do i still do 2 cc of the upjohn?

**Mudge** · 10-31-2003, 04:16 PM

I really dont think its that underdosed IMO, people just like to bitch about mexican stuff. Not everyone wants to pay big $$$ for American Upjohn.

dropteeth · 10-31-2003, 04:16 PM

plus that would be 600m a week?

**Mudge** · 10-31-2003, 04:19 PM

Add it up bro. If Upjohn is 100mg/ml, and Ttokkyo is 200mg/ml, to hit 600mg a week you would need to:

1) 2cc Ttokkyo cyp Tuesday (example date) - 400mg
2) 2cc Upjohn Friday - 200mg

You could then add 1/2cc of your deca to each shot, or just choose a date to add the deca too, I'd probably go with the Ttokkyo tuesday shot, the Upjohn should be very painless on its own.

You could switch things around to even those doses out to 300mg each injection day if you want, but that depends on what you have.

Or

Tuesday 1cc Ttokkyo cyp, 1cc Upjohn, 1cc deca (300mg test, 300mg deca)

Friday 1cc Ttokkyo cyp, 1cc Upjohn (300mg test)

That brings you to 600 every week. Dont shoot with the same pin you pull from, it will be dull. I like to pull with 20s and shoot with 25s.

dropteeth · 10-31-2003, 04:27 PM

Thanks Mudge youve been great help!

dropteeth · 10-31-2003, 05:54 PM

everyone is telling me that my doses are not enough :S
its my first time everydoing a cycle and i wanna make the most of it..should i up my doses?

400 mg cyp
300 mg deca

dropteeth · 10-31-2003, 06:00 PM

should i do 500 cyp
and 600 deca?

**Mudge** · 10-31-2003, 06:07 PM

Keep the deca 400-500 tops IMO, as for the test I dont know your stats, I would not go 600 for a first cycle, thats more than I've ever done other than front loads.

500mg for a first cycle is fine I think.

If you want to keep your dong functioning, keep the test higher than deca.

dropteeth · 10-31-2003, 06:11 PM

after doing some math...i have enough gear to do a 1:1 ratio

500 cyp
500 deca

would this keep my dong functioning... or should i drop the deca to 450?

**Mudge** · 10-31-2003, 06:25 PM

Some people do 2:1, some 1.5:1, some 1:1, so the answer is, who knows what will work for you.

You will probably be ok at your I assume young age, but you will have to discover for yourself how you react to things.

10-30-2003, 11:19 PM	#1
dropteeth Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 43	Help on Doses going on my first 12 week cycle using Tokkyo Deca, and Tokkyo Test Cypionate I also got my hands on scored a 10m 100m upjohn cypionate. My question is this.. i will be doing 300 mg of Deca and 400 of cyp. I wanna keep doses the same for bloodlevels as recommended from other posts. since the Tokkyo Cyps strength is 200 (10ml) and the Upjohn is 100 (10ml)..how do i dose it?

10-30-2003, 11:58 PM	#2
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,435 Photos: 1	Not sure what you mean how do you dose it, when it says 100mg they mean per milliliter. So to achieve 400mg of cypionate if you are doing Ttokkyo and Upjohn at the same time, that is 3 milliliters leaving no room for Deca in the pin. Sounds like your going to be doing 2 shots a week which is ideal anyway. If you are not comfortable measuring out 1/2ml, then: Example Tuesday - 1cc Ttokkyo cypionate, 1cc Deca (300mg/ml right?) Friday - 2cc Upjohn Cypionate Rotate your sites, oil buildup in a muscle can cause an abcess. www.spotinjections.com Kinesiology Comp Bench MaxCalc Motivation Bench form Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu

10-31-2003, 04:16 PM	#4
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,435 Photos: 1	I really dont think its that underdosed IMO, people just like to bitch about mexican stuff. Not everyone wants to pay big $$$ for American Upjohn. Kinesiology Comp Bench MaxCalc Motivation Bench form Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu

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10-31-2003, 04:14 PM	#3
dropteeth Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 43	but since tokkyo (mex gear) is underdosed... do i still do 2 cc of the upjohn?

10-31-2003, 04:19 PM	#6
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,435 Photos: 1	Add it up bro. If Upjohn is 100mg/ml, and Ttokkyo is 200mg/ml, to hit 600mg a week you would need to: 1) 2cc Ttokkyo cyp Tuesday (example date) - 400mg 2) 2cc Upjohn Friday - 200mg You could then add 1/2cc of your deca to each shot, or just choose a date to add the deca too, I'd probably go with the Ttokkyo tuesday shot, the Upjohn should be very painless on its own. You could switch things around to even those doses out to 300mg each injection day if you want, but that depends on what you have. Or Tuesday 1cc Ttokkyo cyp, 1cc Upjohn, 1cc deca (300mg test, 300mg deca) Friday 1cc Ttokkyo cyp, 1cc Upjohn (300mg test) That brings you to 600 every week. Dont shoot with the same pin you pull from, it will be dull. I like to pull with 20s and shoot with 25s.

10-31-2003, 04:27 PM	#7
dropteeth Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 43	Thanks Mudge youve been great help!

10-31-2003, 05:54 PM	#8
dropteeth Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 43	everyone is telling me that my doses are not enough :S its my first time everydoing a cycle and i wanna make the most of it..should i up my doses? 400 mg cyp 300 mg deca

10-31-2003, 06:00 PM	#9
dropteeth Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 43	should i do 500 cyp and 600 deca?

10-31-2003, 06:07 PM	#10
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,435 Photos: 1	Keep the deca 400-500 tops IMO, as for the test I dont know your stats, I would not go 600 for a first cycle, thats more than I've ever done other than front loads. 500mg for a first cycle is fine I think. If you want to keep your dong functioning, keep the test higher than deca.

10-31-2003, 06:11 PM	#11
dropteeth Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 43	after doing some math...i have enough gear to do a 1:1 ratio 500 cyp 500 deca would this keep my dong functioning... or should i drop the deca to 450?

10-31-2003, 06:25 PM	#12
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,435 Photos: 1	Some people do 2:1, some 1.5:1, some 1:1, so the answer is, who knows what will work for you. You will probably be ok at your I assume young age, but you will have to discover for yourself how you react to things.