arounds

Sorry to be another leech on this board, but Mudge doesn't seem to mind dispensing advice to newbies. I travel a lot, have worked out off and on since puberty, but look average: 22, 165, 5'11". I live in South East Asia now and have access to literally ANYTHING, legit and dirt cheap from Karachi and Bangkok mostly. You should see the lists pharmacists produce at the mention of steroids. They have EVERYTHING. Even HGH. And all over the counter.

I've been training hard for six weeks, and figured I'd add a little spice to my work outs--shooting 200 to 300mg deca/wk and 100mg primabolan/wk now for three weeks. I know my gear's good, I've made really impressive strength gains and can't get a hard on to save my life, a problem I've never, ever had. Tomorrow I leave for Cambodia for a month and am taking along 1500mg deca and 600mg prima. Should I consider adding some "real" juice here? Or am I too young and don't need it? I don't give a damn about athletic performance or bodybuilding competitions, just in it for looks and personal pride. Do the risks outweigh rewards for test in my case? I can get Sust250 (or any test, for that matter) for under 4 bucks an amp and Nolvadex/Proviron/Clomid about as easily as a pack of gum. I think being able to walk into a pharmacy and pick up gear for nearly nothing is a real dilemma: am I being stupid and wasting a great opportunity here, or stupid for even considering shooting test? Would love some feedback..........

gr81

IMO you are in no need of the anabolics of any kind, not just test but the deca and primo as well. First off it is my humble opinion that people not planning to be a serious BB or strength athlete competitor have no business using drugs. If it is an asthetically pleasing physique you are looking for from a fitness standpoint then that can be achived without the drugs. The other reason I think you need to leave them alone is that you are not even a consistant weight trainer. You have been only training hard for 6 weeks now you said, that is nothing. You need to put a few years together before you start a cycle bro, trust me. Ask yourself if you are just looking for the easy way out with the drugs, which I think you are. I know that it is a great situation over there with the pharmacies being so cool about shit, but you have to look at it like this. The drugs can be a great experience but what how much muscle do you think you will hang on to considering how serious you are about training. You need to build a solid foundation of both knowledge and experience before you start juicin'. You are only 165, you will be able to shoot that up naturally with some time put under your belt. You know the first weight lifting cycle (a year or so of hard training) a person puts together they will have steriod like gains, even if you don't do everything right. It is the first time you are showing your body this consistent weight training, it will grow. You don't even need the drugs. I think you should reconsider. It is foolish to start the drugs the same time you begin training. Just my 2 cents, good luck man. Oh and I am hella jealous of the situation you got over there. I would love to pick up some GH over the counter, drugs are a class 1 scheduled substance over here for gods sake. Peace

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arounds

Thanks for the honesty. I think you've got a pretty good handle on my situation: it's hard as hell not to take what appears to be an easy out when you've got to walk by good drugs every day on the way to the gym (not to mention all the other temptations around here). This might be a one-time chance, so I figured I'd make the most of it. I've always been jealous as hell of great bods while never being able to get there on my own. That's why I'm testing the water with lightweight gear. I'll still probably shoot what I've got rather than ditch it, unless anyone out there things it could be really damaging. It feels pretty damn good handling 65lb dumbells when I was doing 40's a month ago.

Mudge

If you have been "training hard for 6 weeks" its not even close to time to start yet IMO. The idea is really needing to know what you are doing in the kitchen and in the gym, otherwise you will be one of those people who have done 5 cycles and dont break 180 pounds.

Deca and primo? Without some test in there you will be Captain Limpdick, deca is not something to be taken lightly as far as recouperation and erectile function.

plouffe

Captain Limpdick.. lol. Andro's won't give ya limpdick will they?


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Mudge

Andro wont give you much of anything.

madmartigan

Just thought I would say that I don't really agree that gear should only be used if you plan on being a serious bodybuilder / athlete. Why not? Admitidly I have only just started my first cycle, but if I want a nice looking body with above average size arms to help me get some more pussy whats wrong with speeding up the muscle growth with some chemicals?
If I have a head ache I take asprin, if I want to get wasted I get drunk, pop some pills or roll up some fat ones if i have a floppy cock from doing the afformentioned recreational drugs I take Viagra... I don't see the distinction with roids. They are just another drug I can take to get something I desire.
Good training and diet is very important though

Mudge

Serious to me means dedicated, it doesn't have to denote 24" arms and an Olympia title in your name. For someone training 6 weeks though, I dont believe they have the diet and training know how to start with gear. It takes me about 6 weeks to even begin working up to a full training routine without being sore, much less how long it took me to half know what I was doing - especially in the diet arena.

It is the perfect time to study up on gear/training/diet and see what the person wants. If the person is willing to study it then they can make the educated decisions on thier own.