Clomid FAQ

mr.universe · 11-10-2003, 09:04 PM

CLOMIPHENE CITRATE (CLOMID)

What is it?
What does it do for the bodybuilder?
Who should take it?
When should it be taken and how much?
What are the sides?
Bulking or cutting?
Where do I get it and how much does it cost?

What is it?
Clomiphene Citrate or Clomid is the anti-estrogen of choice for improving recovery of natural testosterone production after a cycle,
improving testosterone production of endurance athletes, and is also effective in reducing risk of gynecomastia during a cycle employing aromatizable steroids. Clomid is a mixed estrogen agonist/antagonist (activator/blocker).
Table of Contents
What does it do for the bodybuilder?
Clomid therapy is useful for jump-starting Testosterone production post cycle Clomid stimulates the hypothalamus to, in turn stimulant the anterior pituitary gland (aka hypophysis) to release gonadotrophic hormones. The gonadotrophic hormones are follicle stimulating hormone (FSH) and luteinizing hormone (LH - aka interstitial cell stimulating hormone (ICSH)). FSH stimulates the testes to produce more testosterone, and LH stimulates them to secrete more testosterone. This feedback mechanism is known as the hypothalamic-pituitary-testes axis (HPTA), and results in an increase of the body's own testosterone production and blood levels rise, to, in part, compensate for the diminishing levels of exogenous steroids. This is vital to minimize post cycle muscle losses.
Who should take it?
Anyone who has come off of a cycle of Testosterone yet not all steroids do cause shut down of the feedback mechanism. Everyone is different and you must also take into account how long you have been using a certain steroid and at what dose in order to determine if you need Clomid or not. Clomid also works as an anti-oestrogen. As it's a weak synthetic oestrogen, it binds to oestrogen receptors on cells blocking them to oestrogen in the blood. This minimizes the negative effects like gynecomastia and water retention that may be a result of oestrogen that has aromatized from testosterone. It's effect as an anti-oestrogen are quite weak though, and it should not be relied upon if you are going to be using androgenic steroids that aromatize at a rapid rate, or if you are pre-disposed to gynecomastia. Arimidex and Nolvadex (Tamoxifen) are far more effective anti-oestrogens.

When should it be taken and much?
The correct time to commence Clomid depends on the type and cycle of steroids you have been using. Different steroids have different half-lives (indicates the time a substance diminishes in blood), and Clomid administration should be taken accordingly.
As we have seen above, Clomid taken when androgen levels in our blood are still high will be a waste. It is crucial to wait for androgen levels to fall before implementing our Clomid therapy. However, if taken too late we could possibly lose gains.
The list below determines when you should start Clomid. Select from the list any steroids you've used in your cycle and whichever one has the latest starting point is the time to commence Clomid. For example, if Dianabol, Sustanon and Winstrol were cycled, the time for administering Clomid should be 3 weeks post cycle, as Sustanon remains active in the body for the longest period of time.
Steroid Time afterlast administration Length ofClomid Cycle
Anadrol50/Anapolan50: 8 - 12 hours 3 weeks
Deca durabolan: 3 weeks 4 weeks
Dianabol: 4 - 8 hours 3 weeks
Equipoise: 17 - 21 days 3 weeks
Finajet/Trenbolone: 3 days 3 weeks
Primabolan depot: 10 - 14 days 2 weeks
Sustanon: 3 weeks 3 weeks
Testosterone Cypionate: 2 weeks 3 weeks
Testosterone Enanthate/Testaviron: 2 weeks 3 weeks
Testosterone Propionate: 3 days 3 weeks
Testosterone Suspension: 4 - 8 hours 2-3 weeks
Winstrol

What are the side effects?
The drug seems to have estrogenic effects on mood, which can be beneficial (improving relationships with women by improving empathy) or can yield depression or PMS-like symptoms, but for most users there is no significant effect either way. The claim that duration of intake should not exceed 10-14 days is incorrect. Clinical studies with male patients have been for periods of a year or longer. This error probably originates from the fact that, for use in women, due to the menstrual cycle there would obviously be no point in trying to stimulate ovulation all four weeks of the month. Thus, use in women is limited to 10-14 days. That limitation is not because of toxicity.
Bulking or Cutting?
This isn’t really a factor it is for post cycle therapy although when we use anabolic steroids, the level of androgens in the body rises causing the androgen receptors to become more highly activated, and through the HPTA, a signal tells our testes to stop producing testosterone. During a cycle the body has far higher than normal levels of androgens and, as long as this level is high enough, Clomid will not help to keep natural testosterone production up. It will be almost all but completely shut off, in theory.
Some heavy androgen users, however, do advocate a small burst of Clomid mid-cycle, though it must be hard for them to say if it really of any benefit, due to the amount of gear they are using. Therefore, the only purpose of Clomid during a cycle is as an anti-estrogen.
Where do I get it and how much does it cost?
Clomid can be obtained in liquid form “for research purposes” only from several sites, one of the most reliable places to purchase this product and many other research products is www.universalkits.com. They have kits, accessories, supplements and pro-hormones as well……… check them out.

Deca-sustanon.com
Muscletalk.co.com

Lokey · 07-09-2004, 09:56 AM

ever heard of it and would it be better than oral?

**Mudge** · 07-09-2004, 12:35 PM

I would say no it would not be better, and I have never heard of it either.

Lokey · 07-09-2004, 04:42 PM

would a combination of clomid and acg be more effextive than just the clomid - and what exactly is acg?

Lokey · 07-09-2004, 04:49 PM

sorry i ment hcg....

**Mudge** · 07-09-2004, 06:56 PM

hCG is used during the cycle to keep the balls from shrinking, greatly speeding recovery and avoiding possible permanent atrophy.

11-10-2003, 09:04 PM	#1
mr.universe Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 141	Clomid FAQ BODYBUILDING SUPPLEMENTS High Quality Supplements For Bodybuilders and Athletes. www.ironmaglabs.com CLOMIPHENE CITRATE (CLOMID) What is it? What does it do for the bodybuilder? Who should take it? When should it be taken and how much? What are the sides? Bulking or cutting? Where do I get it and how much does it cost? What is it? Clomiphene Citrate or Clomid is the anti-estrogen of choice for improving recovery of natural testosterone production after a cycle, improving testosterone production of endurance athletes, and is also effective in reducing risk of gynecomastia during a cycle employing aromatizable steroids. Clomid is a mixed estrogen agonist/antagonist (activator/blocker). Table of Contents What does it do for the bodybuilder? Clomid therapy is useful for jump-starting Testosterone production post cycle Clomid stimulates the hypothalamus to, in turn stimulant the anterior pituitary gland (aka hypophysis) to release gonadotrophic hormones. The gonadotrophic hormones are follicle stimulating hormone (FSH) and luteinizing hormone (LH - aka interstitial cell stimulating hormone (ICSH)). FSH stimulates the testes to produce more testosterone, and LH stimulates them to secrete more testosterone. This feedback mechanism is known as the hypothalamic-pituitary-testes axis (HPTA), and results in an increase of the body's own testosterone production and blood levels rise, to, in part, compensate for the diminishing levels of exogenous steroids. This is vital to minimize post cycle muscle losses. Who should take it? Anyone who has come off of a cycle of Testosterone yet not all steroids do cause shut down of the feedback mechanism. Everyone is different and you must also take into account how long you have been using a certain steroid and at what dose in order to determine if you need Clomid or not. Clomid also works as an anti-oestrogen. As it's a weak synthetic oestrogen, it binds to oestrogen receptors on cells blocking them to oestrogen in the blood. This minimizes the negative effects like gynecomastia and water retention that may be a result of oestrogen that has aromatized from testosterone. It's effect as an anti-oestrogen are quite weak though, and it should not be relied upon if you are going to be using androgenic steroids that aromatize at a rapid rate, or if you are pre-disposed to gynecomastia. Arimidex and Nolvadex (Tamoxifen) are far more effective anti-oestrogens. When should it be taken and much? The correct time to commence Clomid depends on the type and cycle of steroids you have been using. Different steroids have different half-lives (indicates the time a substance diminishes in blood), and Clomid administration should be taken accordingly. As we have seen above, Clomid taken when androgen levels in our blood are still high will be a waste. It is crucial to wait for androgen levels to fall before implementing our Clomid therapy. However, if taken too late we could possibly lose gains. The list below determines when you should start Clomid. Select from the list any steroids you've used in your cycle and whichever one has the latest starting point is the time to commence Clomid. For example, if Dianabol, Sustanon and Winstrol were cycled, the time for administering Clomid should be 3 weeks post cycle, as Sustanon remains active in the body for the longest period of time. Steroid Time afterlast administration Length ofClomid Cycle Anadrol50/Anapolan50: 8 - 12 hours 3 weeks Deca durabolan: 3 weeks 4 weeks Dianabol: 4 - 8 hours 3 weeks Equipoise: 17 - 21 days 3 weeks Finajet/Trenbolone: 3 days 3 weeks Primabolan depot: 10 - 14 days 2 weeks Sustanon: 3 weeks 3 weeks Testosterone Cypionate: 2 weeks 3 weeks Testosterone Enanthate/Testaviron: 2 weeks 3 weeks Testosterone Propionate: 3 days 3 weeks Testosterone Suspension: 4 - 8 hours 2-3 weeks Winstrol What are the side effects? The drug seems to have estrogenic effects on mood, which can be beneficial (improving relationships with women by improving empathy) or can yield depression or PMS-like symptoms, but for most users there is no significant effect either way. The claim that duration of intake should not exceed 10-14 days is incorrect. Clinical studies with male patients have been for periods of a year or longer. This error probably originates from the fact that, for use in women, due to the menstrual cycle there would obviously be no point in trying to stimulate ovulation all four weeks of the month. Thus, use in women is limited to 10-14 days. That limitation is not because of toxicity. Bulking or Cutting? This isn’t really a factor it is for post cycle therapy although when we use anabolic steroids, the level of androgens in the body rises causing the androgen receptors to become more highly activated, and through the HPTA, a signal tells our testes to stop producing testosterone. During a cycle the body has far higher than normal levels of androgens and, as long as this level is high enough, Clomid will not help to keep natural testosterone production up. It will be almost all but completely shut off, in theory. Some heavy androgen users, however, do advocate a small burst of Clomid mid-cycle, though it must be hard for them to say if it really of any benefit, due to the amount of gear they are using. Therefore, the only purpose of Clomid during a cycle is as an anti-estrogen. Where do I get it and how much does it cost? Clomid can be obtained in liquid form “for research purposes” only from several sites, one of the most reliable places to purchase this product and many other research products is www.universalkits.com. They have kits, accessories, supplements and pro-hormones as well……… check them out. Deca-sustanon.com Muscletalk.co.com
	mr.universe@universalkits.com www.universalkits.com

07-09-2004, 09:56 AM	#2
Lokey Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 8	injectible clomid ever heard of it and would it be better than oral?
Lokey Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 8

07-09-2004, 12:35 PM	#3
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 22,966 Photos: 1	I would say no it would not be better, and I have never heard of it either.
	Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks

07-09-2004, 04:42 PM	#4
Lokey Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 8	in combination w/ ACG would a combination of clomid and acg be more effextive than just the clomid - and what exactly is acg?
Lokey Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 8

07-09-2004, 04:49 PM	#5
Lokey Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 8	sorry i ment hcg....
Lokey Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 8

07-09-2004, 06:56 PM	#6
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 22,966 Photos: 1	hCG is used during the cycle to keep the balls from shrinking, greatly speeding recovery and avoiding possible permanent atrophy.
	Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks

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