Mudge

Mildly anti-catabolic, not really anabolic like test man. You sound like you have alot of health related issues, and you seem to push the envelope more than most on top of that.

Hope you stick around man.

Just a guy

damn cuz... what u trying to say... im gonna die? LoL hypo thyroid aint that big of a deal... im also hypo parathyroid (calcium defincientcy).. but doc said as long as it doesnt slow me down then im fine... is clen real bad for u or somethin??

CUTTING!
Was 260lbs.
Now 02/09/05 236lbs
Height:5'8
Age: 20
Bench:395
Leg press:975

Just a guy

it doesnt increase thyroid function or nothin rite?? as long as it dont do that neither then im ok... cuz i have NO thyroid.. its dead

CUTTING!
Was 260lbs.
Now 02/09/05 236lbs
Height:5'8
Age: 20
Bench:395
Leg press:975

Mudge

Thyroid, blood pressure, your freakish weight gains, long ass cycles - thats all. If you have no thyroid output you are already on synthroid correct?

I have a friend at work who had high TSH levels yet still had a low body temperature, something wasn't working properly even though the thyroid was trying desperately to work. They put her on 25mcg of T3 daily and she is at least normalized now, albiet still overweight.

Mikhal

Yeah my man I been off exactly 13 days, I'd gained alot of mass (at least for me) really quick with Primo-bolen Depot And Deca with aweekly dose of Sus 250 did that for 8weeks then I finished off with 17 days. of Halo I went from 144 to 172 without trying.I'm down to 156 and I still feeling the strengh that I had at a jucied 172. My next run Jan . But I'm researching some different cycles as I can't afford to be overweight at fight time. I'm thinking Anavar/winny/equ and close the show with Halo.My clen routine is pretty standard I think each day I upped the dose by 25mcg or 1 tab in any case I started with 2 got to 8 stayed there for 6 days and then I down dosed by one a day.Dig this though, You better check with somebody here about using Thyro-Activatior if you've got some Med shit happening But I also think as mentioned you want to max out while you are massing up For damn sure with all the risks you fronting, you want to get all you can if the cost is that high and still want to play.All the stuff for cutting was started end of cycle.

I present you with the gift of my PAIN as I rain down punch after kick after knee after elbow over and over and over again bring excitment to tha very fiber of my DNA, as my ears records tha sounds of bones snap'n and lungs collapse'n ,organs being SLOWLY turned into a very special jelly to tease my taste buds at tha very thought of tha smell of blood that will change tha color of his eyes from white to that glossy delicious deep intestinal red color. This and more I claim from each victim or new toy as I have come to think of them lately.I feel tha power of tha Voodoo all my Jamaican and Zulu forefathers died to keep secret and pass into me. This is my birthright, my gift if you will. I am tha VooDoo child, tha dream and tha nightmare, Tha villian and tha hero,tha bringer and tha destroyer.I am tha unwalkable road,I am tha unswimable ocean, tha unclimbable mountain, tha storm that there is no shelter to protect you from, I am tha final thought. You ask why am I like this...................... Because violence keeps me calm MUTHAFUCKA !!!!! I am tha muthafuck'n Serial Killa and I can smell your blood from here,Too hard for your Momma, Too hip for your Daddy Fuck Milk, Got TREN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just a guy

u didnt use clomid or nothin for post cycle?? u lost 15 pounds after ur cycle was through?? muscle or fat??

CUTTING!
Was 260lbs.
Now 02/09/05 236lbs
Height:5'8
Age: 20
Bench:395
Leg press:975

Just a guy

just did some more reading on Clen... is it really dangerous? is their another fat burner that is safer? Because i never wanted to use ephedrine... but they say clen is like stronger than epherdrine.... mite just use Hydroxycut(no epherdrine) and the chitosin... any other opinions on what to use for cutting after a 16 week cycle??

CUTTING!
Was 260lbs.
Now 02/09/05 236lbs
Height:5'8
Age: 20
Bench:395
Leg press:975

Mudge

Clen or thyroid meds are as pussy as you are going to get, without using something OTC.

Anything is dangerous if missused, including water, or your index finger.

Just a guy

just seems like clen is gonna mess with my heart rate alot... So you think i'd be alrite with it (i know your psychic abilities are failing you).. im just asking... u know how my heart acts... and all of those people having heart attacts on epherdrine... whats that all about?

CUTTING!
Was 260lbs.
Now 02/09/05 236lbs
Height:5'8
Age: 20
Bench:395
Leg press:975

Mudge

Clen is pretty safe IMO, keep the dose reasonable and dont run it for more than 2 weeks at a time. Longer than that requires precautions.

Just a guy

well i just got done with some more reading... it seems like that clen stuff messes with the thyroid... it says it cuts Alot of the active thyroid down... I dont think this is the stuff for me in my situation.... any other good fat burner?? i dont know how strong hydroxycut without epehdrine is...

CUTTING!
Was 260lbs.
Now 02/09/05 236lbs
Height:5'8
Age: 20
Bench:395
Leg press:975

Just a guy

say when My cycle and post cycle is over... and I want to keep the muscle I have and lose the fat... What could i use legally to help me in this... Creatine? Glutamine? I'm not real sure which one would work or what not... anyone have any expiernce in this situation?

CUTTING!
Was 260lbs.
Now 02/09/05 236lbs
Height:5'8
Age: 20
Bench:395
Leg press:975

Mikhal

I was and am still finishing a Nolvadax 14 day run. And I lost what at least appears to have been extra fat from everywhere. Even my glutes are ripped, and as I said earlier I'm lifting more so it does not seem like I lost muscle. Man it really seems like you've got some serious health issuses though. If you are worried about the effect of clen on your health and you don't do ECA, damn homey I don't know what to suggest, Like I said from the rip, that's what works for me.Man on the real BE CAREFUL, the more you reveal the more you make me feel like Why are you even fucking around with your life this way, unless you make a living off of your body,It don't sound worth the risk . But roll how you gotta roll. I'll make my part simple, when all else fails , do cardio fuck it

I present you with the gift of my PAIN as I rain down punch after kick after knee after elbow over and over and over again bring excitment to tha very fiber of my DNA, as my ears records tha sounds of bones snap'n and lungs collapse'n ,organs being SLOWLY turned into a very special jelly to tease my taste buds at tha very thought of tha smell of blood that will change tha color of his eyes from white to that glossy delicious deep intestinal red color. This and more I claim from each victim or new toy as I have come to think of them lately.I feel tha power of tha Voodoo all my Jamaican and Zulu forefathers died to keep secret and pass into me. This is my birthright, my gift if you will. I am tha VooDoo child, tha dream and tha nightmare, Tha villian and tha hero,tha bringer and tha destroyer.I am tha unwalkable road,I am tha unswimable ocean, tha unclimbable mountain, tha storm that there is no shelter to protect you from, I am tha final thought. You ask why am I like this...................... Because violence keeps me calm MUTHAFUCKA !!!!! I am tha muthafuck'n Serial Killa and I can smell your blood from here,Too hard for your Momma, Too hip for your Daddy Fuck Milk, Got TREN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just a guy

Man.. hypothyroid is not that big of a deal... im just worried cuz i dont want the doc up my ass about my tsh levels being out of wack... and then they will have to change my medicine... i seriously dought it would hurt me except over a long period of time.... just didnt want to have to go through the trouble of that... ya know what i meen? I meen if i had a heart mermur or somethin i would be worried but hypothyroid isint shit... i know you didnt know that... and im not tryin to sound like a ass... but i have done alot of reading over the past 4 years on hypothyroid and roids... and just 6 months ago i discovered it wouldn't be bad for me at all... except maybe Extended half-life's do to slower excretion... trust me fellas... im fine.. and i want get hurt... hopefully... im trying to do whatever i can do to stay in the game and stay healthy... i didnt just jump into it...

With all of that said... hydroxycut... chitosin... maybe a carb blocker... glutamine... and creatine... does that sound decent to keep muscle but lose some body fat... and yes ALOT of cardio... maybe someone know a real good stack? Appreciate the looking out mikhal

CUTTING!
Was 260lbs.
Now 02/09/05 236lbs
Height:5'8
Age: 20
Bench:395
Leg press:975

Just a guy

maybe i should take this to supplement forum... prolly a good idea... not unless yall know of a different REAL good fat burner that maybe dont mess with thyroid... i'll do some searchin

CUTTING!
Was 260lbs.
Now 02/09/05 236lbs
Height:5'8
Age: 20
Bench:395
Leg press:975

Mudge

I dont think "real good" fat burners exist, when using T3 in moderate doses I got some decent results (thyroid medication), if your thyroid is dead I hardly see why you care since you are using it already anyway right?

However, it was still diet that got my waist line down, not much difference from getting off of the T3 @ 60mcg daily.

The only serious fat burners are deadly IMO, the other stuff is a minor helper and nothing more.

Mikhal

You know I just thought about a way old school fighters used to cut weight. I know that this worked for me at the time but once again it's all about the diet. First this is not the most fun tasting stuff, and I'm sure that all the bodybuilders at this site know many other effective ways. I'm not looking for drama from anyone asking me how or why it works, cause I have no idea, Choline/Inositol/B6 and drink a glass of Cider vineger with a tablespoon of honey some cats added lecithin and that was the thing in the late 50's thru 90's at Kronk and every other world class boxing gym( until everybody got hip to sneaking in gear). No I'm not a warlock ha ha, I'm just trying to spread that little tip. I've done it and I've seen cats lose crazy weight and be strong enough to win 12 rd title fights. But then again the magic word in all my examples is CARDIO. I'm not trying to weigh 200 or even 160, I'm all about strength and looking swell, so you may find that my way is not that cool for what your goals are. I love bodybuilding,but in reality I'm not really a bodybuilder , I'm more of a body breaker you feeling me? Peace

I present you with the gift of my PAIN as I rain down punch after kick after knee after elbow over and over and over again bring excitment to tha very fiber of my DNA, as my ears records tha sounds of bones snap'n and lungs collapse'n ,organs being SLOWLY turned into a very special jelly to tease my taste buds at tha very thought of tha smell of blood that will change tha color of his eyes from white to that glossy delicious deep intestinal red color. This and more I claim from each victim or new toy as I have come to think of them lately.I feel tha power of tha Voodoo all my Jamaican and Zulu forefathers died to keep secret and pass into me. This is my birthright, my gift if you will. I am tha VooDoo child, tha dream and tha nightmare, Tha villian and tha hero,tha bringer and tha destroyer.I am tha unwalkable road,I am tha unswimable ocean, tha unclimbable mountain, tha storm that there is no shelter to protect you from, I am tha final thought. You ask why am I like this...................... Because violence keeps me calm MUTHAFUCKA !!!!! I am tha muthafuck'n Serial Killa and I can smell your blood from here,Too hard for your Momma, Too hip for your Daddy Fuck Milk, Got TREN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

gr81

dude, after your cycle it isnt' really necessarily important to worry about fat burners. You should be worrying about eating right so you can hold on to your gains when your hormone levels dip, which they will soon. You aren't gonna find a good fat burtner that is superior to the ECA stack. all that other stuff is useless if the diet isn't squared away. IMO clen isn't a very great drug. You are certainly not going to build any muscle with it and it does mess with thyriod levels. Not a good plan for you. You need to be more conscious of your bodies needs and not putting it in risky situations. You have had heart problems so you don't need to be experimenting with stimulants or thermogenics IMO. All you need is a good diet and you need to concentrate on holding on to the muscle you gained, a diet will be eenough to lose the fat you want. Stop looking for answers in drugs, look for it through discipline and hard work!

Testosterone Site/Elite Fitness-Dave Tate/West Side Barbell/Berardi Nutrition & Sports Performance/Steroid Laws- Rick Collins/John Defendis Intensity or Insanity articles/Save the Supersonics

Just a guy

Alrite... So does this sound good... After the post cycle... yes im going to take hydroxycut... and chitosin... now what would be a good diet plan?? Low carbs?? and high protein... i just dont get how i can cut down on calories and maintain the same muscle... but i will try! i'll do alot of running and get that diet rite

CUTTING!
Was 260lbs.
Now 02/09/05 236lbs
Height:5'8
Age: 20
Bench:395
Leg press:975

Just a guy

ok here's my ? should i still continue to consume JUST as much protein off cycle? cuz im getting like 300-400g's a day... prolly more... and weight gainer...

CUTTING!
Was 260lbs.
Now 02/09/05 236lbs
Height:5'8
Age: 20
Bench:395
Leg press:975

gr81

mantain until your hormoone levels return to normal and then restrict cals.

Testosterone Site/Elite Fitness-Dave Tate/West Side Barbell/Berardi Nutrition & Sports Performance/Steroid Laws- Rick Collins/John Defendis Intensity or Insanity articles/Save the Supersonics

Just a guy

hopefully im not sounding like a dumbass.... but how do you know when your levels are back to normal?? blood test rite?? or just when post cycle is over

CUTTING!
Was 260lbs.
Now 02/09/05 236lbs
Height:5'8
Age: 20
Bench:395
Leg press:975

Mudge

Actually, even one blood test can be fooled because PCT can bring levels up and then they can go back down afterwards, so you do the best you can.

With HCG in the mix I have heard of successfull blood results in 6 weeks of PCT.

If I called my PCT one week long how does that equate to a successfull recouperation?

You are probably taking in 300-400 or more? You dont even know? There is a lot of variance there. I try to never dip below 330 or so for the day, bulking I am close to 450 right now. I never, ever touch weight gainer, I'm not looking to be a sumo.

Mikhal

Hey man, word, you need to just cool your jets and recover correct stylo.Do what sounds right after you check to make sure you're straight. And try some old school "hard work".marinade on what you're REALLY trying to accomplish,(hobby,bodybuilding,rec,model,sport,pim p,etc) then when you're feeling positive about what you want and what can and or has to be done to get it safe style.then go on and throw dizzle fo shizzle. Be sure not to put salt in the game by not doing the proper research.Now, Be bout it.

I present you with the gift of my PAIN as I rain down punch after kick after knee after elbow over and over and over again bring excitment to tha very fiber of my DNA, as my ears records tha sounds of bones snap'n and lungs collapse'n ,organs being SLOWLY turned into a very special jelly to tease my taste buds at tha very thought of tha smell of blood that will change tha color of his eyes from white to that glossy delicious deep intestinal red color. This and more I claim from each victim or new toy as I have come to think of them lately.I feel tha power of tha Voodoo all my Jamaican and Zulu forefathers died to keep secret and pass into me. This is my birthright, my gift if you will. I am tha VooDoo child, tha dream and tha nightmare, Tha villian and tha hero,tha bringer and tha destroyer.I am tha unwalkable road,I am tha unswimable ocean, tha unclimbable mountain, tha storm that there is no shelter to protect you from, I am tha final thought. You ask why am I like this...................... Because violence keeps me calm MUTHAFUCKA !!!!! I am tha muthafuck'n Serial Killa and I can smell your blood from here,Too hard for your Momma, Too hip for your Daddy Fuck Milk, Got TREN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just a guy

well guys... i quit my cycle today... i had 4 more weeks left of cyp and d-bol... but ya know what... my body feels like shit... i feel drained 24/7 and i aint noticing any spectacular gains no more and 12 weeks is long enough.... so im going to start my post cycle in like a week and a half... but im gonna go ahead and start running.... my post cycle is only nolva and clomid..... i think i only have enough to last 3 or 4 week.... and the 1st week is 100 of clomid and 40 of nolva and then after that just keeping it at one dose a day instead of 2... prolly not a good idea to start the hydroxycut, glutamine, and chitosan now rite? should i wait till post cycle is over? im thinking so.. now im trying the best i can to keep muscle and lose fat... any extra opinions would be great... any change in my diet will be great just for the fact i have never had one really... since i was bulking i was on a see-food diet.. and that expains the Shamoo effect going on... so im gonna try to keep my diet clean... no pizza... skinless chicken... u know stuff like that... and prolly only 2 protein shakes a day.... whats a good range to keep my protein in.. off cycle?? and any other legal supplements good for maintaining muscle would be great... thx

CUTTING!
Was 260lbs.
Now 02/09/05 236lbs
Height:5'8
Age: 20
Bench:395
Leg press:975

Just a guy

or illegal... just cant mess with my thyroid

CUTTING!
Was 260lbs.
Now 02/09/05 236lbs
Height:5'8
Age: 20
Bench:395
Leg press:975