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11-25-2003, 12:10 PM
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Senior Gear head
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hydroxycut while on juice?
Whats up fellas... just a little ?.... i got 7 weeks of cyp left... and d-bol.. I am fat in my opinion... im stronger than hell but fat... I would like to lose 15 lbs of Bodyfat... is that at all possible without losing 15 pd's of muscle? I dont run... But i will if that is what i absolutely HAVE to do... I have a big ass bottle of Hydroxycut (ephreine free) would it be smart to take that while on juice so maybe i could lose some fat?? Someone just give a suggestion on my diet... what i should eat... PLEASE IM TRIED OF BEING FAT!! HELP!!!
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11-25-2003, 01:26 PM
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You Lack Intensity!!!!
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first of all an ephedra free product isn't going to help you, a strict diet will. Why don't you wait until you are off of gear to cut. For a thermogenic to work you have to have a decrease in cals but your kcals chould be high if you are running gear. Once you are done with your shit, get on your post cycle stuff, and go to the diet forum and construct a cutting diet. Its all about the diet, that will determine how much muscle you will keep. If you just start running hella and cut your cals way down then you will most likely lose plenty of muscle mass, you have to take it slow.
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11-25-2003, 01:43 PM
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Senior Gear head
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so what should i do?? how far can i cut my cals... should i lower the dosage of the cyp from 600 to like... 500? or 400?
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CUTTING!
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11-25-2003, 01:43 PM
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You Lack Intensity!!!!
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what is the point of running a bulking style cycle then if you are gonna restrict your cals on it? You might as well not use then if you aren't gonna eat hella and take advantage of being on. You can cut weight naturally when you are off just fine, you don't need to be on test to cut BF. You are just looking for all the shortcuts aren't you. Why don't you do shit the old fashioned way and work hard. There are anabolics that are good to take when cutting and test isn't onew of them unless you are running a very low maintenance dose along with something else mostly anabolic. Like mudge and I just told you, it is all diet. not hydroxycut or an anabolic. |
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11-25-2003, 01:47 PM
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Senior Gear head
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Just thought it would be nice to lose some BF in the last 7 weeks... i meen damn gr81... just thought it would be good to lose a little fat....
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CUTTING!
Was 260lbs. Now 02/09/05 236lbs Height:5'8 Age: 20 Bench:395 Leg press:975 |
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11-25-2003, 01:50 PM
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You Lack Intensity!!!!
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you mean weigh nto way.
Dude it is all up to you what your goals are, how should we know? do what you want. It doesn't sound like you have a very good base of knowledge judging by teh questions you are asking. I would do some much needed reading so you can answer some of your own questions. I can say that you are best to spend your time bulking when you are about 8-10% BF. There is no advantage being higher than that in regards to your building more muscle/fat ratio. If you are higher than that then maybe it is time to cut down to a lower BF. |
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11-25-2003, 01:54 PM
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the one & only
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For starters no supplement is going to get you lean, a proper diet will. So, I suggest you head over to the nutrition forum. |
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11-25-2003, 02:03 PM
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Pizza the Hut
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I agree, without magical genetics diet is going to be #1 when it comes to gaining quality weight or losing crappy weight. I have proven it to myself enough times that I have forced myself to be more active in the study of this stuff.
Unless you are on DNP or usnic acid there is no such thing as magical weight loss without good diet. Likewise if you just drop calories half hazardly you will lose muscle with it. |
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11-25-2003, 03:40 PM
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Senior Gear head
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ok screw it lol im just gonna try to hit 270
 and when i get off my cycle i'll cut.... just seems like i'll lose muscle that way... will clomid/nolva be a decent PCT... and how do you know your fully recovered??? |
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CUTTING!
Was 260lbs. Now 02/09/05 236lbs Height:5'8 Age: 20 Bench:395 Leg press:975 |
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11-25-2003, 03:44 PM
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Senior Gear head
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man a 16week cycle will drain the hell out of ya... Hey and mudge... when u say the lower back pain comes from d-bol.... the pain is not really in the center... its more like on the side... and only hurts real bad when i take a deep breathe.... I know your liver wraps around there a little but.. along with your kidneys..
Oh and Gr81... aint this a discussion board?? where u ask questions you dont know?? I just happen to not know if I could cut at the end of cycle or not..... |
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CUTTING!
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11-25-2003, 04:12 PM
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You Lack Intensity!!!!
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yes it is important to ask questions, but it is also important to learn things on your own via research so people do not hand you the answers all the time. It isn't just important to know what, but to know how and why. Steriods are a big deal and one should know all they can before starting them. You are injeting synthetic hormones into your body for gods sake, you should have a basic knowledge base without having to ask people the simpler questions. don't you agree? It isn't smart to just start putting something major into your body without fully knowing all you can about them.
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11-25-2003, 06:21 PM
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Senior Gear head
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yes it is important... But i dont know the answers to the ?'s i asked... i could not find nothing on them... just wanted to see if yall had prior experience
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CUTTING!
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11-25-2003, 10:11 PM
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Jamaican Rude Boy
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I'm new to the game too, however I noticed a couple of key points in a careful reading of your questions and the reponses. I just fininished my frist cycle too,but GR81 is on point when he sprinkled you with the REAL, Like MUCH RESPECT to you my brother ,but DAMN you took something that changes your bodys chemisty and you don't know how to come back to normal or at least an idea,Love yourself my man, and as my boys would say "check yourself, before you wreck yourself.And I'm a dummy compared to 90% of the knowledgable cats here, and this might sound stupid, but ain't 16 weeks a long ass time for a beginning cycle. I'm no Guru, or doctor but just being on some stuff that strong and new to your body might be the reason your side hurts,God fobid it's your kidney or liver. Here are a few sites that give you info on drug profiles READ THIS AND SAVE YOUR OWN ASS!!! www.anabolicworld.com www.steroids.com. On the weight cutting tip, I'm learning that everything these cats have said is word about that diet tip. I do feel like I know a little more than the average bear about cutting weight,using extreme cardio. The bottom line is you can lose as much as you are willing to work off. Running is an EXCELLENT way to get rid off weight. I feel like I know this because I myself have lost 13lbs in the last 2 days (48hrs) and I was at 8% bodyfat when I did it.The shit ain't easy, but what in life thats real is? Remember this homey, Anabolics is an ENHANCER NOT THE ANSWER. It still comes down to having the balls to do the work( and the research )it takes to reach your goal and fuck everything else. I kinda know how you feel, but you gotta keep it real, at least with yourself.Good luck Playa
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I present you with the gift of my PAIN as I rain down punch after kick after knee after elbow over and over and over again bring excitment to tha very fiber of my DNA, as my ears records tha sounds of bones snap'n and lungs collapse'n ,organs being SLOWLY turned into a very special jelly to tease my taste buds at tha very thought of tha smell of blood that will change tha color of his eyes from white to that glossy delicious deep intestinal red color. This and more I claim from each victim or new toy as I have come to think of them lately.I feel tha power of tha Voodoo all my Jamaican and Zulu forefathers died to keep secret and pass into me. This is my birthright, my gift if you will. I am tha VooDoo child, tha dream and tha nightmare, Tha villian and tha hero,tha bringer and tha destroyer.I am tha unwalkable road,I am tha unswimable ocean, tha unclimbable mountain, tha storm that there is no shelter to protect you from, I am tha final thought. You ask why am I like this...................... Because violence keeps me calm MUTHAFUCKA !!!!! I am tha muthafuck'n Serial Killa and I can smell your blood from here,Too hard for your Momma, Too hip for your Daddy Fuck Milk, Got TREN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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11-26-2003, 09:04 PM
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Jamaican Rude Boy
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I'm going to sprinkle you with this. Nothing but love for you homey.This what I'm doing and the stuff is working super! First I alternate every 2 weeks between ECA and Clenbutrol. I'm running this for a total of 8 weeks. I use an ECA that seems to REALLY kick fat in the ass you can cop for under a dub ($20.00) at http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/fatloss.htm. Next you'll need some clen there are a million places to cop just do a search and you'll find all of them ,I'm using the 20mcg tabs made by Novegram. I do 1cc every other day of Maxi B- 1000 www.barnyardhealth.com under a 10 piece ($10.00). I think that this next spice may be what is supplying that overall kick to everything it's called Thyro-Activatior www.phyiscalenhancement.com . I personally believe it's the difference between Pimpin and Limpin, you feeling me? Next get up off your 240lb ass and hit the cardio like you mean it!!!!!!!!!!!! I do alot of running and boxing ,kickboxing,and grappling along with lifting, but you don't have to be that extreme to get results. I would say AT LEAST 30 minutes every other day for a couple of weeks should make you "bout it , bout it". As all the cats here have already said watch your diet, But here's something you may find attractive, with those items I gave you used as a stack, you can even eat some crazy shit and STILL lose weight. That does not mean you can run to the local diner and order all the shit on page 2, but I have lost like close to 15lbs in the last 72 hrs and I ate a couple slices of lemon pie LATE last nite,( not a good thing to do but I try to keep it real). You've got to drink a gang of water, I mean like a fish, feeling me? This is what works for me, I offer it only as a suggestion. I'm losing weight and I'm lifting more weight than I did a week ago. I'm down to 157lbs and I'm benching 310 for 10 reps, not amazing for most,but as GR81 would say "it's hella for the kid" as lifting is not really what I do. I'm sayin that to say you can drop crazy weight and gain strength at the same time. The next thing I want to shoot past you is this SMOKING IS WACK AS HELL, get rid of that shit with the quickness, smoking and training is like taking a bath in a scuba suit,STUPID! Makes no logic happen in my mind and if you think about long enough, not in yours either. Good luck. Be real.Hang tuff playa.
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I present you with the gift of my PAIN as I rain down punch after kick after knee after elbow over and over and over again bring excitment to tha very fiber of my DNA, as my ears records tha sounds of bones snap'n and lungs collapse'n ,organs being SLOWLY turned into a very special jelly to tease my taste buds at tha very thought of tha smell of blood that will change tha color of his eyes from white to that glossy delicious deep intestinal red color. This and more I claim from each victim or new toy as I have come to think of them lately.I feel tha power of tha Voodoo all my Jamaican and Zulu forefathers died to keep secret and pass into me. This is my birthright, my gift if you will. I am tha VooDoo child, tha dream and tha nightmare, Tha villian and tha hero,tha bringer and tha destroyer.I am tha unwalkable road,I am tha unswimable ocean, tha unclimbable mountain, tha storm that there is no shelter to protect you from, I am tha final thought. You ask why am I like this...................... Because violence keeps me calm MUTHAFUCKA !!!!! I am tha muthafuck'n Serial Killa and I can smell your blood from here,Too hard for your Momma, Too hip for your Daddy Fuck Milk, Got TREN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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11-27-2003, 02:05 AM
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Martinmax
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Slovakia
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Just a guy: I think you should really follow the advices given above. Jus a few things. Do you wanna say that you run 16 weeks on steroids? On test? Or some 10 plus the rest on clomid, clen...? If you want to run 16weeks on test, do not do it!!! I know what im saying! After some 8 or 9 weeks you dont feelany change in your strenght or mass. Your receptors are already full! There no reason to do it. Stop the cycle after 8 or 10 weeks by lowering the doses, then use clomid or whatever, then I would make a short brake and you can start your real cutting cycle with diet, cardio...two weeks on ECA and two weeks on clen is a very good thing, I lost some 20lbs for 6weeks this way.
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11-27-2003, 03:06 AM
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You Lack Intensity!!!!
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this statement iso so wrong. where the hell did you read that after 8 weeks your receptors are full? BS. I dare you to post some valid info backing that up. Your receptors don't just get full like that, and certainly not after 8 weeks. There is also no benefit in pyramiding cycle by tapering it down as you suggest either. I wholey recommend running you shit at least 12 weeks. IMO there is a better chance of keeing the gains you made when on a highly androgenic drug like test. The shorter the cycle, the bigger the probability that the percentage weight you gained at that point is gonna strickly water weight. there is nothing wrong with running a 12-16 week cycle, and it certainly isn't b/c your receptors will be full. that is bigus info man. |
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11-27-2003, 05:27 AM
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Martinmax
Join Date: Jun 2002
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Id like to see how you put on weight after lets say 10th week of test.....I think you do not, you just keep the gains you have. As far as the tapering is concerned. Everybody here does it and it works its not my invention! If we re talking bout the test, OK, you dont have to lower the doses here, but for dbol,... you have to. It will help you to keep the gains and you dont have to take so much clomid after the cycle. Thats it.
I dont want to argue. I just want you to explain me why the hell I should not lower the dosage by the end. Do you want to say that you run on 1g of test per week, then you just stop it and the gains are kept??? For me, I do it always this way and I can tell you that I did not lose anything! I even put on some more weight and it was an androlic cycle. I would be hapy if you could just explain to me what you do post cycle....in details. Thanks I m always happy to see more opinions, more experiences, I don say you re wrong! I just would never try that. Thats all. |
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11-27-2003, 12:25 PM
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Senior Gear head
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i have heard of many people doing 16 week cycle;s... doin great for me.... went from 205 on bench to 350... so... yeh
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CUTTING!
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